Posted by lowlife on January 23, 2007, 9:57 am
hi i really need to find out what this shrub or tree is, as it has mould
on it that probably wants treating. i'll describe it and link 3 photo's
from photobucket (hope that's allowed).
firstly i live in surrey. the soil is clay but well mixed now. the
shrub is about 5 ft high, round in form with grey / brown smooth bark.
the buds are very small and staggered as opposed to pairs, and there
are no leaves on it at this time. on the end of each branch there is a
group of brown open seed pods. the fungi is clustered on the lower
branches and looks like white/pale cyan granules.
i've taken a pic of the tree, the pods and the fungus or whatever it
is
http://tinyurl.com/29ej9r
http://tinyurl.com/22c58j
http://tinyurl.com/2ghxb2
i hope they work. failing that, does anyone know of an online plant
finder?
thanks
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lowlife
Posted by Stewart Robert Hinsley on January 23, 2007, 3:42 pm
>hi i really need to find out what this shrub or tree is, as it has mould
>on it that probably wants treating. i'll describe it and link 3 photo's
>from photobucket (hope that's allowed).
>firstly i live in surrey. the soil is clay but well mixed now. the
>shrub is about 5 ft high, round in form with grey / brown smooth bark.
>the buds are very small and staggered as opposed to pairs, and there
>are no leaves on it at this time. on the end of each branch there is a
>group of brown open seed pods. the fungi is clustered on the lower
>branches and looks like white/pale cyan granules.
With alternate foliage and 5-loculate capsular fruits it could be
Hibiscus syriacus. (H. syriacus doesn't usually fruit in my neck of the
woods, but there's a plant in the town centre with similar looking
fruits, that if I recall correctly is H. syriacus.)
You don't happen to remember what the foliage or flowers look like?
For a selection of pictures of H. syriacus see
http://www.malvaceae.info/Genera/Hibiscus/galleryH.html
From where I sit the fungus look liked lichen, which is harmless, but
it's easy to misinterpret a photograph.
>i've taken a pic of the tree, the pods and the fungus or whatever it
>is
>http://tinyurl.com/29ej9r
>http://tinyurl.com/22c58j
>http://tinyurl.com/2ghxb2
>i hope they work. failing that, does anyone know of an online plant
>finder?
>thanks
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Stewart Robert Hinsley
Posted by Sacha on January 23, 2007, 6:07 pm
On 23/1/07 20:42, in article vWuAvxjHNntFFwT3@meden.invalid, "Stewart Robert
>>
>> hi i really need to find out what this shrub or tree is, as it has mould
>> on it that probably wants treating. i'll describe it and link 3 photo's
>> from photobucket (hope that's allowed).
>>
>> firstly i live in surrey. the soil is clay but well mixed now. the
>> shrub is about 5 ft high, round in form with grey / brown smooth bark.
>> the buds are very small and staggered as opposed to pairs, and there
>> are no leaves on it at this time. on the end of each branch there is a
>> group of brown open seed pods. the fungi is clustered on the lower
>> branches and looks like white/pale cyan granules.
>
> With alternate foliage and 5-loculate capsular fruits it could be
> Hibiscus syriacus. (H. syriacus doesn't usually fruit in my neck of the
> woods, but there's a plant in the town centre with similar looking
> fruits, that if I recall correctly is H. syriacus.)
>
> You don't happen to remember what the foliage or flowers look like?
>
> For a selection of pictures of H. syriacus see
>
> http://www.malvaceae.info/Genera/Hibiscus/galleryH.html
We think the pods are too pointed for that and Ray suggests Pseudocamellia
stewartia in which the seed pod is very hard. If it's Fremontodendron we'd
expect it to have foliage on still but you never know! Their seed pods are
furry and quite soft.
>
> From where I sit the fungus look liked lichen, which is harmless, but
> it's easy to misinterpret a photograph.
It's almost certainly lichen and will do the plant no harm, so can be safely
left alone. It's a sign of clean air and low pollution, so is to be
welcomed.
--
Sacha
http://www.hillhousenursery.co.uk
South Devon
http://www.discoverdartmoor.co.uk/
(remove weeds from address)
Posted by Stewart Robert Hinsley on January 23, 2007, 6:41 pm
>>
>> With alternate foliage and 5-loculate capsular fruits it could be
>> Hibiscus syriacus. (H. syriacus doesn't usually fruit in my neck of the
>> woods, but there's a plant in the town centre with similar looking
>> fruits, that if I recall correctly is H. syriacus.)
>>
>> You don't happen to remember what the foliage or flowers look like?
>>
>> For a selection of pictures of H. syriacus see
>>
>> http://www.malvaceae.info/Genera/Hibiscus/galleryH.html
>We think the pods are too pointed for that and Ray suggests
>Pseudocamellia stewartia in which the seed pod is very hard. If it's
>Fremontodendron we'd expect it to have foliage on still but you never
>know! Their seed pods are furry and quite soft.
I don't know Pseudocamellia stewartia. I'm interpreting the photo as
showing a capsule with 5 locules which have separated, so the capsule as
a whole is quite blunt. I would also interpret the capsule as being
chartaceous (parchment-like) rather than woody. A photograph of the
innards of the capsule might assist identification.
I'm sure that it's not Fremontodendron - there's no sign of the fuzz on
the fruit, and I think the OP would have noticed it elsewhere. I never
got seed out of a Fremontodendron, but the mature fruits of
Fremontodendron are quite hard. Also to describe the Fremontodendron as
furry might lead people astray - the seed hairs are quite stiff -
they're not as bad as cacti, at least not being hooked, but they're
quite capable of penetrating skin. The hairs on other parts of the plant
are irritant.
http://www.malvaceae.info/Genera/Fremontodendreae/CalGlory.html
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Stewart Robert Hinsley
Posted by Sacha on January 24, 2007, 4:40 am
On 23/1/07 23:41, in article QLZfYova0ptFFwUh@meden.invalid, "Stewart Robert
<snip>
>
> I don't know Pseudocamellia stewartia. I'm interpreting the photo as
> showing a capsule with 5 locules which have separated, so the capsule as
> a whole is quite blunt. I would also interpret the capsule as being
> chartaceous (parchment-like) rather than woody. A photograph of the
> innards of the capsule might assist identification.
>
> I'm sure that it's not Fremontodendron - there's no sign of the fuzz on
> the fruit, and I think the OP would have noticed it elsewhere. I never
> got seed out of a Fremontodendron, but the mature fruits of
> Fremontodendron are quite hard. Also to describe the Fremontodendron as
> furry might lead people astray - the seed hairs are quite stiff -
> they're not as bad as cacti, at least not being hooked, but they're
> quite capable of penetrating skin. The hairs on other parts of the plant
> are irritant.
>
> http://www.malvaceae.info/Genera/Fremontodendreae/CalGlory.html
Fremontodendron pod:
http://tinyurl.com/2h9hcn
(as I said, we think that's unlikely, if only because of the lack of leaves
on the plant)
I can't find a pic of the seed pod of the Stewartia. The plant is unusual
but not rare. The OP didn't give any description of a flower, so I'm
assuming he hasn't seen one yet but obviously that would help a lot.
Perhaps a neighbour would know?
In the pic of the seed pods they look as if they've been hanging around for
a long time and so are rather dried out. It would be interesting to know
what they look like when fresh.
--
Sacha
http://www.hillhousenursery.co.uk
South Devon
http://www.discoverdartmoor.co.uk/
(remove weeds from address)
>on it that probably wants treating. i'll describe it and link 3 photo's
>from photobucket (hope that's allowed).
>firstly i live in surrey. the soil is clay but well mixed now. the
>shrub is about 5 ft high, round in form with grey / brown smooth bark.
>the buds are very small and staggered as opposed to pairs, and there
>are no leaves on it at this time. on the end of each branch there is a
>group of brown open seed pods. the fungi is clustered on the lower
>branches and looks like white/pale cyan granules.