Posted by chrisj.doran on September 4, 2010, 2:11 pm
> > On Thu, 2 Sep 2010 23:27:05 +0100, "'Mike'"
> >>'Could' you, I mean is it possible physically, to cut into the gutter and
> >>fit a downpipe AND is there a drain nearby? If so you could fit one of
> >>those
> >>gismos which diverts water into the waterbut, but when it is full, water
> >>automatically diverts back to the drain.
> >>'IF' you have a gutter and 'IF' you have a drain
> >>Mike
> > I have a gutter but no downpope, no drain. The downpipes on both sides
> > are 2 doors away, not even next door and my neighbours are not
> > gardeners.
> > Is there any way I could shut off the downpipe when the butt was full?
> > It's bothered me for years.
> > Pam in Bristol
> I feel that you are on a looser here Pam because of the two down pipes being
> two doors away. I would imagine that your bit of gutter is at the highest
> point of the run i.e. water entering the gutter from your bit of roof,
> either goes left or right looking for a downpipe, the chances are that very
> little water is in your bit of gutter.
> And no, not as far as I am aware is there a way of fitting a tap in a
> downpipe. In any case the joints are not 'waterproof' and if a tap were
> fitted just above the butt, water still in the pipe would leak out through
> the joints unless all joints were sealed.
This assumes that normal downpipe bore is required. A butt should fill
eventually with a much narrower pipe which could be properly sealed,
but make the tap removable for rodding out the roof debris which will
inevitably clog it.
Also, does the OP have any smaller roofs available? After all, many an
allotment butt fills from its tiny tool shed. I have a small butt
which fills from gutters on a tool bunker and raised cold frame.
Chris
Posted by 'Mike' on September 4, 2010, 2:42 pm
> Also, does the OP have any smaller roofs available?
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With all respect to the OP, we really need photos of the situation. We can
only 'assume' "this, that and the other". Is "this", is "that" do you have
"this?" etc etc etc.
I feel the OP has described things well especially with the comment that the
downpipes are two houses away in each case ;-(
Mike
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Posted by Pam Moore on September 5, 2010, 5:53 am
On Sat, 4 Sep 2010 11:11:53 -0700 (PDT), chrisj.doran@proemail.co.uk
wrote:
>>
>> > On Thu, 2 Sep 2010 23:27:05 +0100, "'Mike'"
>>
>> >>'Could' you, I mean is it possible physically, to cut into the gutter and
>> >>fit a downpipe AND is there a drain nearby? If so you could fit one of
>> >>those
>> >>gismos which diverts water into the waterbut, but when it is full, water
>> >>automatically diverts back to the drain.
>>
>> >>'IF' you have a gutter and 'IF' you have a drain
>>
>> >>Mike
>>
>> > I have a gutter but no downpope, no drain. The downpipes on both sides
>> > are 2 doors away, not even next door and my neighbours are not
>> > gardeners.
>> > Is there any way I could shut off the downpipe when the butt was full?
>> > It's bothered me for years.
>>
>> > Pam in Bristol
>>
>> I feel that you are on a looser here Pam because of the two down pipes being
>> two doors away. I would imagine that your bit of gutter is at the highest
>> point of the run i.e. water entering the gutter from your bit of roof,
>> either goes left or right looking for a downpipe, the chances are that very
>> little water is in your bit of gutter.
>>
>> And no, not as far as I am aware is there a way of fitting a tap in a
>> downpipe. In any case the joints are not 'waterproof' and if a tap were
>> fitted just above the butt, water still in the pipe would leak out through
>> the joints unless all joints were sealed.
>This assumes that normal downpipe bore is required. A butt should fill
>eventually with a much narrower pipe which could be properly sealed,
>but make the tap removable for rodding out the roof debris which will
>inevitably clog it.
>Also, does the OP have any smaller roofs available? After all, many an
>allotment butt fills from its tiny tool shed. I have a small butt
>which fills from gutters on a tool bunker and raised cold frame.
>Chris
Sadly, to the last question, no, there are no other available roofs.
Thanks anyway
Pam in Bristol
Posted by Pam Moore on September 5, 2010, 5:50 am
On Sat, 4 Sep 2010 12:49:55 +0100, "'Mike'"
>> On Thu, 2 Sep 2010 23:27:05 +0100, "'Mike'"
>>
>>>'Could' you, I mean is it possible physically, to cut into the gutter and
>>>fit a downpipe AND is there a drain nearby? If so you could fit one of
>>>those
>>>gismos which diverts water into the waterbut, but when it is full, water
>>>automatically diverts back to the drain.
>>>
>>>'IF' you have a gutter and 'IF' you have a drain
>>>
>>>Mike
>>
>> I have a gutter but no downpope, no drain. The downpipes on both sides
>> are 2 doors away, not even next door and my neighbours are not
>> gardeners.
>> Is there any way I could shut off the downpipe when the butt was full?
>> It's bothered me for years.
>>
>>
>> Pam in Bristol
>I feel that you are on a looser here Pam because of the two down pipes being
>two doors away. I would imagine that your bit of gutter is at the highest
>point of the run i.e. water entering the gutter from your bit of roof,
>either goes left or right looking for a downpipe, the chances are that very
>little water is in your bit of gutter.
>And no, not as far as I am aware is there a way of fitting a tap in a
>downpipe. In any case the joints are not 'waterproof' and if a tap were
>fitted just above the butt, water still in the pipe would leak out through
>the joints unless all joints were sealed.
>Another thought, but might not be worth the expense, are there any drain
>runs going across the back of your house? If so a junction called a 'rodding
>point' could be fitted and a drain put in for you. I had to do this when we
>re-organised the house and moved the kitchen to a larger room turning it
>into a farmhouse kitchen and giving us a fabulous garden room where the old
>kitchen was.
>Just a few more thoughts
>Mike
Thanks Mike for your thoughts. I'm afraid you are right and it's just
not worth it. I've a very small garden. I'm not aware of any drains
across my garden but Imust enquire.
Pam in Bristol
Posted by Pete on September 2, 2010, 6:29 pm
> I'm on a meter, and I don't have a water butt.
> The problem is, I'm mid-terrace and have no downpipe. Even if I had
> one added, I've no soak-away for excess winter water.
> Any ideas folks?
> Pam in Bristol
Tap in the downpipe perhaps.
Pete
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> >>'Could' you, I mean is it possible physically, to cut into the gutter and
> >>fit a downpipe AND is there a drain nearby? If so you could fit one of
> >>those
> >>gismos which diverts water into the waterbut, but when it is full, water
> >>automatically diverts back to the drain.
> >>'IF' you have a gutter and 'IF' you have a drain
> >>Mike
> > I have a gutter but no downpope, no drain. The downpipes on both sides
> > are 2 doors away, not even next door and my neighbours are not
> > gardeners.
> > Is there any way I could shut off the downpipe when the butt was full?
> > It's bothered me for years.
> > Pam in Bristol
> I feel that you are on a looser here Pam because of the two down pipes being
> two doors away. I would imagine that your bit of gutter is at the highest
> point of the run i.e. water entering the gutter from your bit of roof,
> either goes left or right looking for a downpipe, the chances are that very
> little water is in your bit of gutter.
> And no, not as far as I am aware is there a way of fitting a tap in a
> downpipe. In any case the joints are not 'waterproof' and if a tap were
> fitted just above the butt, water still in the pipe would leak out through
> the joints unless all joints were sealed.