Posted by Martin on September 17, 2011, 5:19 am
The Dutch government is planning to ban Roundup and other
glysphosphate herbicides, on the basis that there is evidence that it
kills young frogs and that there is a build up of glysphosphate in the
groundwater.
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Martin
Posted by Bob Hobden on September 17, 2011, 5:41 am
"Martin" wrote ...
>The Dutch government is planning to ban Roundup and other
>glysphosphate herbicides, on the basis that there is evidence that it
>kills young frogs and that there is a build up of glysphosphate in the
>groundwater.
Does that mean a total ban including farmers? Or is it just ordinary
gardeners again.
Can't see Monsanto and the GM brigade letting it happen, can you.
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Regards. Bob Hobden.
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Posted by Martin on September 17, 2011, 5:59 am
wrote:
>"Martin" wrote ...
>>
>>The Dutch government is planning to ban Roundup and other
>>glysphosphate herbicides, on the basis that there is evidence that it
>>kills young frogs and that there is a build up of glysphosphate in the
>>groundwater.
>>
>Does that mean a total ban including farmers?
A total ban.
>Or is it just ordinary
>gardeners again.
>Can't see Monsanto and the GM brigade letting it happen, can you.
I can see Monsanto fighting the ban, unless that might reveal evidence
that it isn't as safe as claimed. How can it build up in the
groundwater if it self destructs a few days after it reaches the
ground?
The same country is also banning burkas and veils.
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Martin
Posted by Jake on September 17, 2011, 7:09 am
>wrote:
>>"Martin" wrote ...
>>>
>>>The Dutch government is planning to ban Roundup and other
>>>glysphosphate herbicides, on the basis that there is evidence that it
>>>kills young frogs and that there is a build up of glysphosphate in the
>>>groundwater.
>>>
>>Does that mean a total ban including farmers?
>A total ban.
>>Or is it just ordinary
>>gardeners again.
>>Can't see Monsanto and the GM brigade letting it happen, can you.
>I can see Monsanto fighting the ban, unless that might reveal evidence
>that it isn't as safe as claimed. How can it build up in the
>groundwater if it self destructs a few days after it reaches the
>ground?
>The same country is also banning burkas and veils.
AFAIK, Glyphosate on its own is relatively harmless. It's what it gets
added to that's the problem. ISTR that a study (I believe in France)
in the mid 90s found that some Roundup formulations contained other
chemicals that were highly toxic to humans and amphibians and which
also increased the toxicity of glyphosate to humans. But, no doubt,
glyphosate will be tarred with the same brush by association.
How long will it be, I wonder, before we start finding weed killer
pushers in back streets and shady pubs? Or police raids on our garden
sheds?
Cheers
Jake
==============================================
Gardening at the less wet end of Swansea Bay
but moved on from Tolkien; now half way through
the complete Harry Potter.
www.rivendell.org.uk
Posted by Dave Hill on September 17, 2011, 9:18 am
> >wrote:
> >>"Martin" wrote ...
> >>>The Dutch government is planning to ban Roundup and other
> >>>glysphosphate herbicides, on the basis that there is evidence that it
> >>>kills young frogs and that there is a build up of glysphosphate in the
> >>>groundwater.
> >>Does that mean a total ban including farmers?
> >A total ban.
> >>Or is it just ordinary
> >>gardeners again.
> >>Can't see Monsanto and the GM brigade letting it happen, can you.
> >I can see Monsanto fighting the ban, unless that might reveal evidence
> >that it isn't as safe as claimed. How can it build up in the
> >groundwater if it self destructs a few days after it reaches the
> >ground?
> >The same country is also banning burkas and veils.
> AFAIK, Glyphosate on its own is relatively harmless. It's what it gets
> added to that's the problem. ISTR that a study (I believe in France)
> in the mid 90s found that some Roundup formulations contained other
> chemicals that were highly toxic to humans and amphibians and which
> also increased the toxicity of glyphosate to humans. But, no doubt,
> glyphosate will be tarred with the same brush by association.
> How long will it be, I wonder, before we start finding weed killer
> pushers in back streets and shady pubs? Or police raids on our garden
> sheds?
> Cheers
> Jake
> ==============================================
> Gardening at the less wet end of Swansea Bay
> but moved on from Tolkien; now half way through
> the complete Harry Potter.
> www.rivendell.org.uk- Hide quoted text -
> - Show quoted text -
I'm afraid I've alwats said that Roundup can have a residual effect on
certain plants,
I have been having problems with some Dahlia tubers from Holland and I
was told this year that it is probably glyphosate dammage, that was
from the RHS and DEFRA.
I only use it on ground that isn't going to have plants in it for at
least a season.
It is used in so many circumstances that it wasn't originaly
formulated for.
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>glysphosphate herbicides, on the basis that there is evidence that it
>kills young frogs and that there is a build up of glysphosphate in the
>groundwater.