Posted by AL_n on December 31, 2011, 9:36 am
I've just turned about 25sq mtrs of my rather wild back garden into veggie
beds. After removing the turf, I dug the ground over and mixed in several
barrowloads of last summer's compost, which appeared to be about 75% rotted
down, but I judged it to be OK for digging into the new veg beds to improve
the somewhat clayish, soil. The compost was made from a well-mixed mixture
of stable straw, horse manure, and grass turfs and grass clippings.
Next came the question of what to cover it all with, to save myself hours
of weeding, come Spring. Someone here suggested "Polyethylenus negra". I
decided to try "Boxus Cardbordinus Maxima"! After all, it's free.
After covering every inch of the beds, I wetted it all down thoroughly, and
placed large stones every 2ft or so, to prevent the stuff from blowing
away. I am a bit concerned about the wind; I live in a spot that can get
very windy indeed quite frequently, especially in winter. I wonder if my
stones will suffice. My research tells me that most people cover the
cardboard in a couple of inches of tree bark or other mulch. I'd like to
avoid shelling out for tree bark if I can help it. I do have a great pile
of grass sods that I could use for extra weighting-down, but I'm not sure
how that would work out. I also enough remaining half-rotted compost to
cover the cardboard to a depth of about 1", but I fear that would just blow
away, as soon as the first dry, windy day arrived!
Perhaps someone here who has first-hand experience of this muching method
could advise me if they thing the stone-weighting method will be
satisfactory or not...
Thank you..
Al
Posted by Jake on December 31, 2011, 10:06 am
>I've just turned about 25sq mtrs of my rather wild back garden into veggie
>beds. After removing the turf, I dug the ground over and mixed in several
>barrowloads of last summer's compost, which appeared to be about 75% rotted
>down, but I judged it to be OK for digging into the new veg beds to improve
>the somewhat clayish, soil. The compost was made from a well-mixed mixture
>of stable straw, horse manure, and grass turfs and grass clippings.
>Next came the question of what to cover it all with, to save myself hours
>of weeding, come Spring. Someone here suggested "Polyethylenus negra". I
>decided to try "Boxus Cardbordinus Maxima"! After all, it's free.
>After covering every inch of the beds, I wetted it all down thoroughly, and
>placed large stones every 2ft or so, to prevent the stuff from blowing
>away. I am a bit concerned about the wind; I live in a spot that can get
>very windy indeed quite frequently, especially in winter. I wonder if my
>stones will suffice. My research tells me that most people cover the
>cardboard in a couple of inches of tree bark or other mulch. I'd like to
>avoid shelling out for tree bark if I can help it. I do have a great pile
>of grass sods that I could use for extra weighting-down, but I'm not sure
>how that would work out. I also enough remaining half-rotted compost to
>cover the cardboard to a depth of about 1", but I fear that would just blow
>away, as soon as the first dry, windy day arrived!
>Perhaps someone here who has first-hand experience of this muching method
>could advise me if they thing the stone-weighting method will be
>satisfactory or not...
>Thank you..
>Al
If you're going for the no-dig approach then, IME, you will need to
cover the cardboard with something to promote gradual rot-down. If
your stones are weighty enough they will prevent blowing away for an
initial period but how long that is depends on the weather. If the
cardboard gets wet it will weaken and wind in the right direction may
then tear it apart in between the stones.
If your purpose is simply to prevent weeds, at preferably no cost,
then you might try a visit to your local council tip and have a word
with the people there about the possibility of removing an amount of
carpitus oldicus which someone else has deposited there. This will be
more resilient than uncovered cardboard.
Cheers, Jake
=======================================
Urgling happily from the dryer end of Swansea Bay
because Santa's delivered a new weather station
so now I'll know how dry it is when it stops raining!
Posted by 'Mike' on December 31, 2011, 10:12 am
>>
>>I've just turned about 25sq mtrs of my rather wild back garden into veggie
>>beds. After removing the turf, I dug the ground over and mixed in several
>>barrowloads of last summer's compost, which appeared to be about 75%
>>rotted
>>down, but I judged it to be OK for digging into the new veg beds to
>>improve
>>the somewhat clayish, soil. The compost was made from a well-mixed mixture
>>of stable straw, horse manure, and grass turfs and grass clippings.
>>
>>Next came the question of what to cover it all with, to save myself hours
>>of weeding, come Spring. Someone here suggested "Polyethylenus negra". I
>>decided to try "Boxus Cardbordinus Maxima"! After all, it's free.
>>
>>After covering every inch of the beds, I wetted it all down thoroughly,
>>and
>>placed large stones every 2ft or so, to prevent the stuff from blowing
>>away. I am a bit concerned about the wind; I live in a spot that can get
>>very windy indeed quite frequently, especially in winter. I wonder if my
>>stones will suffice. My research tells me that most people cover the
>>cardboard in a couple of inches of tree bark or other mulch. I'd like to
>>avoid shelling out for tree bark if I can help it. I do have a great pile
>>of grass sods that I could use for extra weighting-down, but I'm not sure
>>how that would work out. I also enough remaining half-rotted compost to
>>cover the cardboard to a depth of about 1", but I fear that would just
>>blow
>>away, as soon as the first dry, windy day arrived!
>>
>>Perhaps someone here who has first-hand experience of this muching method
>>could advise me if they thing the stone-weighting method will be
>>satisfactory or not...
>>
>>Thank you..
>>
>>Al
> If you're going for the no-dig approach then, IME, you will need to
> cover the cardboard with something to promote gradual rot-down. If
> your stones are weighty enough they will prevent blowing away for an
> initial period but how long that is depends on the weather. If the
> cardboard gets wet it will weaken and wind in the right direction may
> then tear it apart in between the stones.
> If your purpose is simply to prevent weeds, at preferably no cost,
> then you might try a visit to your local council tip and have a word
> with the people there about the possibility of removing an amount of
> carpitus oldicus which someone else has deposited there. This will be
> more resilient than uncovered cardboard.
> Cheers, Jake
> =======================================
> Urgling happily from the dryer end of Swansea Bay
> because Santa's delivered a new weather station
> so now I'll know how dry it is when it stops raining!
Make sure it is carpitus oldicus and not carpitus newidicus because the
man made fibres such as nylon etc don't rot and you are left with a nasty
mess which is all tangled up with stuff which does grow through as some of
it separates.
Been there. Done that in our last house where we had a big garden :-(. Got
the mess in my memory
Mike
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I'm an Angel, honest ! The horns are there just to keep the halo straight.
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Posted by AL_n on December 31, 2011, 10:46 am
> Make sure it is carpitus oldicus and not carpitus newidicus because
> the man made fibres such as nylon etc don't rot and you are left with
> a nasty mess which is all tangled up with stuff which does grow
> through as some of it separates.
> Been there. Done that in our last house where we had a big garden :-(.
> Got the mess in my memory
>
> Mike
Thanks for the replies. Already, I can see a problem arising with my
efforts: After wetting down the cardbordinum maximus, it is delaminating,
and thus becoming much more prone to wind-destruction. When the outside
skins come unstuck from the central corrugated element, one is left with
little more that three layers of brown paper, which is extremely prone to
wind destruction. I had thought of buying polythenus negra perforatum
(a.k.a. weedium membranus) to lay over the cardbordinum. What do you think?
the stuff could be pinned down with pegs all the way around the edges.
I gather membrane alone is not enough to suppress weeds, but a layer of
cardboard under the membrane should be effective, I think. The only
disadvantage, is the cost, perhaps. So perhaps I'll look into the carpet
option. But it would take a ages to rot, yes? Perhaps that's a good thing,
is it? I suppose it means it can be used repeatedly for a few years before
it starts tearing apart, yes?
Al
Posted by Baz on December 31, 2011, 10:49 am
carpitus oldicus
laughing out loud(LOL)
one could use "soilleafmouldcus improvicus" or as a weedkiller "oldlinocuss
getitoutofmyhouseicuss.
Just nice.
Baz
>
> Cheers, Jake
> =======================================
> Urgling happily from the dryer end of Swansea Bay
> because Santa's delivered a new weather station
> so now I'll know how dry it is when it stops raining!
>
>beds. After removing the turf, I dug the ground over and mixed in several
>barrowloads of last summer's compost, which appeared to be about 75% rotted
>down, but I judged it to be OK for digging into the new veg beds to improve
>the somewhat clayish, soil. The compost was made from a well-mixed mixture
>of stable straw, horse manure, and grass turfs and grass clippings.
>Next came the question of what to cover it all with, to save myself hours
>of weeding, come Spring. Someone here suggested "Polyethylenus negra". I
>decided to try "Boxus Cardbordinus Maxima"! After all, it's free.
>After covering every inch of the beds, I wetted it all down thoroughly, and
>placed large stones every 2ft or so, to prevent the stuff from blowing
>away. I am a bit concerned about the wind; I live in a spot that can get
>very windy indeed quite frequently, especially in winter. I wonder if my
>stones will suffice. My research tells me that most people cover the
>cardboard in a couple of inches of tree bark or other mulch. I'd like to
>avoid shelling out for tree bark if I can help it. I do have a great pile
>of grass sods that I could use for extra weighting-down, but I'm not sure
>how that would work out. I also enough remaining half-rotted compost to
>cover the cardboard to a depth of about 1", but I fear that would just blow
>away, as soon as the first dry, windy day arrived!
>Perhaps someone here who has first-hand experience of this muching method
>could advise me if they thing the stone-weighting method will be
>satisfactory or not...
>Thank you..
>Al