Posted by Sacha on January 23, 2012, 10:09 am
The web site here sounds as if it's on a crusade but the article may be
of interest:
http://www.infowars.com/monsanto%E2%80%99s-best-selling-herbicide-roundup-linked-to-infertility/
--
Sacha
www.hillhousenursery.com
South Devon
Posted by Martin Brown on January 23, 2012, 11:33 am
Sacha wrote:
> The web site here sounds as if it's on a crusade but the article may be
> of interest:
>
http://www.infowars.com/monsanto%E2%80%99s-best-selling-herbicide-roundup-linked-to-infertility/
>
I am no great fan of Monsanto (in fact I boycott their products) but...
I suspect this is just sensationalist nonsense spin on dull research.
The original abstract is a bit vague on what they mean by 1ppm and
10,000ppm in a rat, but if we take it to mean mg/kg body weight the rat
would exceed LD50 for sodium chloride (common table salt) at 3,000ppm.
http://www.sciencelab.com/msds.php?msdsId ™26835
Roundup formulations have killed a few morons who practicaly ate their
lunch drenched in the agricultural concentrate, but it was the wetting
agent that did for them not the active ingredient!
Regards,
Martin Brown
Posted by Janet on January 23, 2012, 11:50 am
|||newspam|||@nezumi.demon.co.uk says...
>
> Sacha wrote:
> > The web site here sounds as if it's on a crusade but the article may be
> > of interest:
> >
http://www.infowars.com/monsanto%E2%80%99s-best-selling-herbicide-roundup-linked-to-infertility/
> >
> I am no great fan of Monsanto (in fact I boycott their products) but...
>
> I suspect this is just sensationalist nonsense spin on dull research.
Ditto
> The original abstract is a bit vague on what they mean by 1ppm and
> 10,000ppm in a rat, but if we take it to mean mg/kg body weight the rat
> would exceed LD50 for sodium chloride (common table salt) at 3,000ppm.
No rats died in this experiment; the research was on rat cells in a test
tube.
Janet.
Posted by Sacha on January 23, 2012, 11:51 am
On 2012-01-23 16:33:45 +0000, Martin Brown
> Sacha wrote:
>> The web site here sounds as if it's on a crusade but the article may be
>> of interest:
>>
http://www.infowars.com/monsanto%E2%80%99s-best-selling-herbicide-roundup-linked-to-infertility/
I
>>
> am no great fan of Monsanto (in fact I boycott their products) but...
>
> I suspect this is just sensationalist nonsense spin on dull research.
> The original abstract is a bit vague on what they mean by 1ppm and
> 10,000ppm in a rat, but if we take it to mean mg/kg body weight the rat
> would exceed LD50 for sodium chloride (common table salt) at 3,000ppm.
>
> http://www.sciencelab.com/msds.php?msdsId ™26835
>
> Roundup formulations have killed a few morons who practicaly ate their
> lunch drenched in the agricultural concentrate, but it was the wetting
> agent that did for them not the active ingredient!
>
> Regards,
> Martin Brown
There's a lot of other research there if anyone's interested in looking
for it and it documents the effects on wildlife and aquatic life.
There is also this, published in 2009, which is interesting:
http://www.environmentalhealthnews.org/ehs/news/roundup-weed-killer-is-toxic-to-human-cells.-study-intensifies-debate-over-inert-ingredients
which includes this paragraph
"Until now, most health studies have focused on the safety of
glyphosate, rather than the mixture of ingredients found in Roundup.
But in the new study, scientists found that Roundup’s inert ingredients
amplified the toxic effect on human cells—even at concentrations much
more diluted than those used on farms and lawns."
--
Sacha
Posted by Martin Brown on January 23, 2012, 1:06 pm
Sacha wrote:
> On 2012-01-23 16:33:45 +0000, Martin Brown
>
>> Sacha wrote:
>>> The web site here sounds as if it's on a crusade but the article may
>>> be of interest:
>>>
http://www.infowars.com/monsanto%E2%80%99s-best-selling-herbicide-roundup-linked-to-infertility/
>>>
> I
>>>
>> am no great fan of Monsanto (in fact I boycott their products) but...
>>
>> I suspect this is just sensationalist nonsense spin on dull research.
>> The original abstract is a bit vague on what they mean by 1ppm and
>> 10,000ppm in a rat, but if we take it to mean mg/kg body weight the
>> rat would exceed LD50 for sodium chloride (common table salt) at
>> 3,000ppm.
>>
>> http://www.sciencelab.com/msds.php?msdsId ™26835
>>
>> Roundup formulations have killed a few morons who practicaly ate their
>> lunch drenched in the agricultural concentrate, but it was the wetting
>> agent that did for them not the active ingredient!
>
> There's a lot of other research there if anyone's interested in looking
> for it and it documents the effects on wildlife and aquatic life. There
I don't doubt that it isn't entirely benign in the environment, but it
is surpising that it isn't much worse given how lethal it is to plants!
> is also this, published in 2009, which is interesting:
>
http://www.environmentalhealthnews.org/ehs/news/roundup-weed-killer-is-toxic-to-human-cells.-study-intensifies-debate-over-inert-ingredients
Another paranoid rant against "chemicals".
> which includes this paragraph
> "Until now, most health studies have focused on the safety of
> glyphosate, rather than the mixture of ingredients found in Roundup. But
> in the new study, scientists found that Roundup’s inert ingredients
> amplified the toxic effect on human cells—even at concentrations much
> more diluted than those used on farms and lawns."
It is however a complete pack of lies. It has been known for decades
that the commercial weedkiller formulations of glyphosate contain
wetting agents that are capable of killing people daft enough to drink
it in significant quantities (usually they meant to drink paraquat).
Japan identified this toxicity problem with the surfactant (aka wetting
agents) more than two decades ago in 1988 - see for example:
http://eap.mcgill.ca/MagRack/JPR/JPR_02.htm
It is perverse of the US EPA to call all compounds used in a formulation
that do not harm the pest "inert" but that is a peculiarly US thing.
Regards,
Martin Brown
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