Posted by Sacha on October 2, 2010, 5:22 am
We have this interesting Camellia called Kingyo-tsubaki which is known
as the 'fishtail' Camellia because the ends of the leaves are 3 lobed
and slightly twisted sometimes. However, there are pink and white
flowered ones and we have the pink one. What I'm wondering is if some
Camellia literate expert can tell me if they both go by the same name
or if the white one has a different name? Opinions seem to differ. It
derived from C. japonica 'Quercifolia' and Hilliers call it C.F. Coates
but I think that was an English appending of that name to a Japanese
import. That's my guess, anyhow.
--
Sacha
www.hillhousenursery.com
South Devon
Posted by Bob Hobden on October 2, 2010, 10:49 am
"Sacha" wrote ...
> We have this interesting Camellia called Kingyo-tsubaki which is known as
> the 'fishtail' Camellia because the ends of the leaves are 3 lobed and
> slightly twisted sometimes. However, there are pink and white flowered
> ones and we have the pink one. What I'm wondering is if some Camellia
> literate expert can tell me if they both go by the same name or if the
> white one has a different name? Opinions seem to differ. It derived from
> C. japonica 'Quercifolia' and Hilliers call it C.F. Coates but I think
> that was an English appending of that name to a Japanese import. That's
> my guess, anyhow.
According to Hilliers the rosy form is known as "C F Coates" so there may be
three colour varieties, rosy, pink and white.
I found this info..
Camellia japonica ssp. quercifolia "White Mermaid" which was selected and
introduced by Piroche Plants, 1994. (Japan).
There is also a "Pink Mermaid" again with single blooms.
http://pirocheplants.com/
if you wish to contact them for more info.
--
Regards
Bob Hobden
W.of London. UK
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Regards
Bob Hobden
W.of London. UK
Posted by Sacha on October 2, 2010, 12:04 pm
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>
> "Sacha" wrote ...
>> We have this interesting Camellia called Kingyo-tsubaki which is known
>> as the 'fishtail' Camellia because the ends of the leaves are 3 lobed
>> and slightly twisted sometimes. However, there are pink and white
>> flowered ones and we have the pink one. What I'm wondering is if some
>> Camellia literate expert can tell me if they both go by the same name
>> or if the white one has a different name? Opinions seem to differ. It
>> derived from C. japonica 'Quercifolia' and Hilliers call it C.F. Coates
>> but I think that was an English appending of that name to a Japanese
>> import. That's my guess, anyhow.
>
> According to Hilliers the rosy form is known as "C F Coates" so there
> may be three colour varieties, rosy, pink and white.
I *think* there's only one pink but can't be certain of that, of course.
> I found this info..
> Camellia japonica ssp. quercifolia "White Mermaid" which was selected
> and introduced by Piroche Plants, 1994. (Japan).
> There is also a "Pink Mermaid" again with single blooms.
> http://pirocheplants.com/
> if you wish to contact them for more info.
I'm sure you've hit it - thank you so much for some excellent detective
work! I doubt we'd want enough to make it worth their while but I'll
ask.
--
Sacha
www.hillhousenursery.com
South Devon
Posted by Sacha on October 2, 2010, 12:38 pm
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>>
>>
>> "Sacha" wrote ...
>>> We have this interesting Camellia called Kingyo-tsubaki which is known
>>> as the 'fishtail' Camellia because the ends of the leaves are 3 lobed
>>> and slightly twisted sometimes. However, there are pink and white
>>> flowered ones and we have the pink one. What I'm wondering is if some
>>> Camellia literate expert can tell me if they both go by the same name
>>> or if the white one has a different name? Opinions seem to differ. It
>>> derived from C. japonica 'Quercifolia' and Hilliers call it C.F. Coates
>>> but I think that was an English appending of that name to a Japanese
>>> import. That's my guess, anyhow.
>>
>> According to Hilliers the rosy form is known as "C F Coates" so there
>> may be three colour varieties, rosy, pink and white.
>
> I *think* there's only one pink but can't be certain of that, of course.
>
>> I found this info..
>> Camellia japonica ssp. quercifolia "White Mermaid" which was selected
>> and introduced by Piroche Plants, 1994. (Japan).
>> There is also a "Pink Mermaid" again with single blooms.
>> http://pirocheplants.com/
>> if you wish to contact them for more info.
>
> I'm sure you've hit it - thank you so much for some excellent detective
> work! I doubt we'd want enough to make it worth their while but I'll
> ask.
Sorry to top my own post but on their list, Bob, they have Camellia
chrysantha. I've written to them about that one as well because I've
been trying to find it for ages and nobody has it here that I know of.
I'm told it's unlikely to survive outdoors in UK though so will have
to check into that if we do get any, or we'll have to clear a big space
somewhere in one of the glasshouses! I doubt that white Camellia was
called White Mermaid originally and imagine if it was given that name
for a non-Asian market and suspect that might have happened to C.F.
Coates, too but I'll try to delve into that a bit more.
--
Sacha
Posted by Bob Hobden on October 2, 2010, 6:03 pm
"Sacha" wrote ...
>, Sacha said:
>>"Bob Hobden" said:
>>> "Sacha" wrote ...
>>>> We have this interesting Camellia called Kingyo-tsubaki which is known
>>>> as the 'fishtail' Camellia because the ends of the leaves are 3 lobed
>>>> and slightly twisted sometimes. However, there are pink and white
>>>> flowered ones and we have the pink one. What I'm wondering is if some
>>>> Camellia literate expert can tell me if they both go by the same name
>>>> or if the white one has a different name? Opinions seem to differ. It
>>>> derived from C. japonica 'Quercifolia' and Hilliers call it C.F. Coates
>>>> but I think that was an English appending of that name to a Japanese
>>>> import. That's my guess, anyhow.
>>>
>>> According to Hilliers the rosy form is known as "C F Coates" so there
>>> may be three colour varieties, rosy, pink and white.
>>
>> I *think* there's only one pink but can't be certain of that, of course.
>>
>>> I found this info..
>>> Camellia japonica ssp. quercifolia "White Mermaid" which was selected
>>> and introduced by Piroche Plants, 1994. (Japan).
>>> There is also a "Pink Mermaid" again with single blooms.
>>> http://pirocheplants.com/
>>> if you wish to contact them for more info.
>>
>> I'm sure you've hit it - thank you so much for some excellent detective
>> work! I doubt we'd want enough to make it worth their while but I'll
>> ask.
> Sorry to top my own post but on their list, Bob, they have Camellia
> chrysantha. I've written to them about that one as well because I've been
> trying to find it for ages and nobody has it here that I know of. I'm
> told it's unlikely to survive outdoors in UK though so will have to check
> into that if we do get any, or we'll have to clear a big space somewhere
> in one of the glasshouses! I doubt that white Camellia was called White
> Mermaid originally and imagine if it was given that name for a non-Asian
> market and suspect that might have happened to C.F. Coates, too but I'll
> try to delve into that a bit more.
White Mermaid and Pink Mermaid may be literal translations of the Japanese.
--
Regards
Bob Hobden
W.of London. UK
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> the 'fishtail' Camellia because the ends of the leaves are 3 lobed and
> slightly twisted sometimes. However, there are pink and white flowered
> ones and we have the pink one. What I'm wondering is if some Camellia
> literate expert can tell me if they both go by the same name or if the
> white one has a different name? Opinions seem to differ. It derived from
> C. japonica 'Quercifolia' and Hilliers call it C.F. Coates but I think
> that was an English appending of that name to a Japanese import. That's
> my guess, anyhow.