Posted by scrapmum on June 19, 2011, 2:37 pm
Hi folks
Can anyone tell me what would be a good palm tree to grow outdoors, this
is to give as a present to a gardener friend who lives in central belt
of Scotland, or would it be too cold for any to survive up there?
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scrapmum
Posted by Janet on June 19, 2011, 6:56 pm
@gardenbanter.co.uk says...
>
> Hi folks
> Can anyone tell me what would be a good palm tree to grow outdoors, this
> is to give as a present to a gardener friend who lives in central belt
> of Scotland, or would it be too cold for any to survive up there?
That depends very much whereabouts in the central belt their garden is;
the climate there is very variable within just a few miles.
Chamaerops humilis grow in mild sheltered gardens at sea level on the
Clyde coast but not on higher colder spots further inland. However, I
would check she likes palms as many gardeners don't; they can be difficult
to place among other garden styles and too spikey where toddlers/dogs are
running about.
Janet (Scotland)
Posted by Chris Hogg on June 20, 2011, 2:14 am
On Sun, 19 Jun 2011 18:37:43 +0000, scrapmum
>Hi folks
>Can anyone tell me what would be a good palm tree to grow outdoors, this
>is to give as a present to a gardener friend who lives in central belt
>of Scotland, or would it be too cold for any to survive up there?
I've read that Trachycarpus fortunei, the Chusan palm, is hardy in
most parts of the British Isles, and that its natural habitat is in
the forests in the Chinese Himalayas where it copes with temperatures
as low as -20C. It's trunk is covered in a mat of fibrous 'hair'
rather like coconut fibre, which probably helps. Whether it would cope
with the temperatures in Scotland's central belt, I don't know, but it
must have a better chance than almost any other palm.
--
Chris
Gardening in West Cornwall overlooking the sea.
Mild, but very exposed to salt gales
Posted by Jeff Layman on June 20, 2011, 4:22 am
On 20/06/2011 07:14, Chris Hogg wrote:
> On Sun, 19 Jun 2011 18:37:43 +0000, scrapmum
>>
>> Hi folks
>> Can anyone tell me what would be a good palm tree to grow outdoors, this
>> is to give as a present to a gardener friend who lives in central belt
>> of Scotland, or would it be too cold for any to survive up there?
> I've read that Trachycarpus fortunei, the Chusan palm, is hardy in
> most parts of the British Isles, and that its natural habitat is in
> the forests in the Chinese Himalayas where it copes with temperatures
> as low as -20C. It's trunk is covered in a mat of fibrous 'hair'
> rather like coconut fibre, which probably helps. Whether it would cope
> with the temperatures in Scotland's central belt, I don't know, but it
> must have a better chance than almost any other palm.
Many years ago there was a Trachycarpus fortunei said to be growing on
the north coast of Scotland, maybe Durness or around Loch Eriboll.
There are several said to be growing on the NW coast (Ullapool,
Scourie), but all of these areas will have temperatures moderated by
nearness to the sea - particularly the effect of the Gulf Stream. Any
area many miles from the sea and more than a few tens of metres above
sea level would almost certainly not sustain any palm tree - even
Trachycarpus fortunei.
--
Jeff
Posted by Charlie Pridham on June 20, 2011, 7:56 am
> Hi folks
> Can anyone tell me what would be a good palm tree to grow outdoors, this
> is to give as a present to a gardener friend who lives in central belt
> of Scotland, or would it be too cold for any to survive up there?
> --
> scrapmum
Trachycarpus fortunii is the only one with a realistic chance of long term
survival, it will cope with wet as well as cold down to around -25c and was
undamaged by snow this last winter (which did for several supposedly hardy
palms)
--
Charlie, Gardening in Cornwall
Holders of National Collections of Clematis viticella
and Lapageria rosea cvs
http://www.roselandhouse.co.uk
> Hi folks
> Can anyone tell me what would be a good palm tree to grow outdoors, this
> is to give as a present to a gardener friend who lives in central belt
> of Scotland, or would it be too cold for any to survive up there?