Posted by Janet Tweedy on May 3, 2005, 4:31 am
Went to a friend's garden yesterday with a group of keen gardeners and
several people were there who have regular supplies of manure delivered
(weekly by trailer!)
They were saying that after June it will be illegal to sell manure by
the load and not only that the poor riding school owners will not be
able to store it on soil, (must be on concrete) and mustn't be allowed
to drain into public water systems (though it doesn't anyway). EU
directive apparently.
What on earth will gardeners be able to do, to get trailer loads after
June and worse, what one earth will riding schools do with all that
dung!
Perhaps a Club could be formed which gives you free access to the
manure?
How will this affect other supplies of compost?
Does anyone know?
Janet
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Janet Tweedy
Amersham Gardening Association
http://www.lancedal.net/aga/
Posted by Mike on May 3, 2005, 5:01 am
> They were saying that after June it will be illegal to sell manure by
> the load
A trailer with a lid on it becomes 'A Container', thus a "Container of
Manure" to go along with a "Bag of Compost" easy ;-)
> and not only that the poor riding school owners will not be
> able to store it on soil, (must be on concrete)
"MUST" be concrete? 'Not on soil' is 'not on soil' if spread on a heavy duty
tarpauline.
> and mustn't be allowed
> to drain into public water systems (though it doesn't anyway).
So, dig a big hole and put a septic tank in and sell that off 'in marked
containers' Let people bring their old plastic milk containers and have
labels printed at the Riding School to fix on them.
Read the small print word by word. There is nearly always a 'let out' and a
way round these things. Above are a couple I came up with in a few minutes.
There must be hundreds of ways of complying, but not complying.
I learnt a long time ago how to write letters to get things done, or not
done, by the careful use of words.
Mike
Posted by Mike on May 3, 2005, 5:11 am
Sorry if this appears twice, but it is not showing on my computer
> They were saying that after June it will be illegal to sell manure by
> the load
A trailer with a lid on it becomes 'A Container', thus a "Container of
Manure" to go along with a "Bag of Compost" easy ;-)
> and not only that the poor riding school owners will not be
> able to store it on soil, (must be on concrete)
"MUST" be concrete? 'Not on soil' is 'not on soil' if spread on a heavy duty
tarpauline.
> and mustn't be allowed
> to drain into public water systems (though it doesn't anyway).
So, dig a big hole and put a septic tank in and sell that off 'in marked
containers' Let people bring their old plastic milk containers and have
labels printed at the Riding School to fix on them.
Read the small print word by word. There is nearly always a 'let out' and a
way round these things. Above are a couple I came up with in a few minutes.
There must be hundreds of ways of complying, but not complying.
I learnt a long time ago how to write letters to get things done, or not
done, by the careful use of words.
Mike
Posted by Nick Maclaren on May 3, 2005, 5:13 am
|>
|> They were saying that after June it will be illegal to sell manure by
|> the load and not only that the poor riding school owners will not be
|> able to store it on soil, (must be on concrete) and mustn't be allowed
|> to drain into public water systems (though it doesn't anyway). EU
|> directive apparently.
The last sentence is very unlikely indeed - it will be regulations
introduced by our native bureaucrats.
EU directives almost invariably propose that there be adequate
regulations, and do not specify the details. Also, they are
typically proposed and agreed by the bureaucrats from member
states, and the UK is one of the more active in doing so. It
is an excellent way of introducing bureaucracy while putting the
blame on someone else.
If you have seen some of the storage facilities and the effect
of their run-off on local streams, you will know why tighter
regulations are needed. And the problem is getting worse, as
UK farming becomes more Americanised, including with feedlot
livestock fattening.
Regards,
Nick Maclaren.
Posted by Ceri Davies on May 3, 2005, 8:21 am
> Went to a friend's garden yesterday with a group of keen gardeners and
> several people were there who have regular supplies of manure delivered
> (weekly by trailer!)
> They were saying that after June it will be illegal to sell manure by
> the load and not only that the poor riding school owners will not be
> able to store it on soil, (must be on concrete) and mustn't be allowed
> to drain into public water systems (though it doesn't anyway). EU
> directive apparently.
And then they complain that there's not enough organic matter in the
soil:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/4508503.stm
I feel a letter to my MP coming on... oh, wait... who do I complain at
this week?
Ceri
--
Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm
not sure about the former. -- Einstein (attrib.)
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