Posted by Jack on September 4, 2009, 8:34 am
Hello all
Zone 5 - Rhode Island - not coastal.
This spring, I replanted my front lawn (3000 sq ft). I realize the spring
is not the best time to plant, but I had to do it. I top-dressed with a
loam-compost mix. I didn't use Tupersan when planting. Now, in some
sections of the lawn, there are large clumps of crabgrass. There is too
much to kill it with a crabgrass killer. I would like to over-seed the
front lawn again this fall with a high-quality seed. What do I do with the
crabgrass? Should I just kill it will Round-up and start over, or can I
just use the slit-seeder, basically cutting through the crabgrass.
Thanks for your time.
Posted by trader4 on September 5, 2009, 11:12 am
> Hello all
> Zone 5 - Rhode Island - not coastal.
> This spring, I replanted my front lawn (3000 sq ft). I realize the spring
> is not the best time to plant, but I had to do it. I top-dressed with a
> loam-compost mix. I didn't use Tupersan when planting. Now, in some
> sections of the lawn, there are large clumps of crabgrass. There is too
> much to kill it with a crabgrass killer. I would like to over-seed the
> front lawn again this fall with a high-quality seed. What do I do with the
> crabgrass? Should I just kill it will Round-up and start over, or can I
> just use the slit-seeder, basically cutting through the crabgrass.
> Thanks for your time.
Killing it would seem to be an extreme solution, unless there are more
weeds and undesirable grass than there is new grass. If most of it
is good and salvagable except for the crabgrass, I would not start all
over. In the Fall you have a window starting from maybe last week of
summer and extending out about six weeks. Normally, I'd do the
seeding as early in the period as practical, factoring in weather.
However, with the crabgrass, I'd push it out until later in the window
when the crabgrass will be done growing and declining. Probably late
Sept in your area. You still have a couple months for the new grass
to grow.
Cut it short and when you go over it with the slit seeder it will tear
it up enough that it won't recover and be a factor. Here in coastal
NJ I've seeded as late as first half of Oct with excellent results.
For future reference, the crabgrass should have been addressed when
the plants were still small and relatively easy to kill.
Posted by Chas Hurst on September 5, 2009, 10:32 pm
> Hello all
> Zone 5 - Rhode Island - not coastal.
> This spring, I replanted my front lawn (3000 sq ft). I realize the spring
> is not the best time to plant, but I had to do it. I top-dressed with a
> loam-compost mix. I didn't use Tupersan when planting. Now, in some
> sections of the lawn, there are large clumps of crabgrass. There is too
> much to kill it with a crabgrass killer. I would like to over-seed the
> front lawn again this fall with a high-quality seed. What do I do with the
> crabgrass? Should I just kill it will Round-up and start over, or can I
> just use the slit-seeder, basically cutting through the crabgrass.
> Thanks for your time.
Killing it would seem to be an extreme solution, unless there are more
weeds and undesirable grass than there is new grass. If most of it
is good and salvagable except for the crabgrass, I would not start all
over. In the Fall you have a window starting from maybe last week of
summer and extending out about six weeks. Normally, I'd do the
seeding as early in the period as practical, factoring in weather.
However, with the crabgrass, I'd push it out until later in the window
when the crabgrass will be done growing and declining. Probably late
Sept in your area. You still have a couple months for the new grass
to grow.
Cut it short and when you go over it with the slit seeder it will tear
it up enough that it won't recover and be a factor. Here in coastal
NJ I've seeded as late as first half of Oct with excellent results.
For future reference, the crabgrass should have been addressed when
the plants were still small and relatively easy to kill.
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If that crabgrass has gone to seed you're screwed. If you can kill it before
it does go to seed, do so and don't worry about collateral damage.
Posted by trader4 on September 6, 2009, 8:34 am
> > Hello all
> > Zone 5 - Rhode Island - not coastal.
> > This spring, I replanted my front lawn (3000 sq ft). I realize the spring
> > is not the best time to plant, but I had to do it. I top-dressed with a
> > loam-compost mix. I didn't use Tupersan when planting. Now, in some
> > sections of the lawn, there are large clumps of crabgrass. There is too
> > much to kill it with a crabgrass killer. I would like to over-seed the
> > front lawn again this fall with a high-quality seed. What do I do with the
> > crabgrass? Should I just kill it will Round-up and start over, or can I
> > just use the slit-seeder, basically cutting through the crabgrass.
> > Thanks for your time.
> Killing it would seem to be an extreme solution, unless there are more
> weeds and undesirable grass than there is new grass. If most of it
> is good and salvagable except for the crabgrass, I would not start all
> over. In the Fall you have a window starting from maybe last week of
> summer and extending out about six weeks. Normally, I'd do the
> seeding as early in the period as practical, factoring in weather.
> However, with the crabgrass, I'd push it out until later in the window
> when the crabgrass will be done growing and declining. Probably late
> Sept in your area. You still have a couple months for the new grass
> to grow.
> Cut it short and when you go over it with the slit seeder it will tear
> it up enough that it won't recover and be a factor. Here in coastal
> NJ I've seeded as late as first half of Oct with excellent results.
> For future reference, the crabgrass should have been addressed when
> the plants were still small and relatively easy to kill.
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> If that crabgrass has gone to seed you're screwed.
Why exactly would he be screwed? He can simply put down a pre-
emergent in Spring.
>If you can kill it before
> it does go to seed, do so and don't worry about collateral damage.
So he shouldn't worry about what effect anything he uses to kill the
mature crabgrass will have on either the existing grass or his ability
to re-seed now?
Posted by Chas Hurst on September 6, 2009, 10:57 am
> > Hello all
> > Zone 5 - Rhode Island - not coastal.
> > This spring, I replanted my front lawn (3000 sq ft). I realize the
> > spring
> > is not the best time to plant, but I had to do it. I top-dressed with a
> > loam-compost mix. I didn't use Tupersan when planting. Now, in some
> > sections of the lawn, there are large clumps of crabgrass. There is too
> > much to kill it with a crabgrass killer. I would like to over-seed the
> > front lawn again this fall with a high-quality seed. What do I do with
> > the
> > crabgrass? Should I just kill it will Round-up and start over, or can I
> > just use the slit-seeder, basically cutting through the crabgrass.
> > Thanks for your time.
> Killing it would seem to be an extreme solution, unless there are more
> weeds and undesirable grass than there is new grass. If most of it
> is good and salvagable except for the crabgrass, I would not start all
> over. In the Fall you have a window starting from maybe last week of
> summer and extending out about six weeks. Normally, I'd do the
> seeding as early in the period as practical, factoring in weather.
> However, with the crabgrass, I'd push it out until later in the window
> when the crabgrass will be done growing and declining. Probably late
> Sept in your area. You still have a couple months for the new grass
> to grow.
> Cut it short and when you go over it with the slit seeder it will tear
> it up enough that it won't recover and be a factor. Here in coastal
> NJ I've seeded as late as first half of Oct with excellent results.
> For future reference, the crabgrass should have been addressed when
> the plants were still small and relatively easy to kill.
>
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> If that crabgrass has gone to seed you're screwed.
Why exactly would he be screwed? He can simply put down a pre-
emergent in Spring.
>If you can kill it before
> it does go to seed, do so and don't worry about collateral damage.
So he shouldn't worry about what effect anything he uses to kill the
mature crabgrass will have on either the existing grass or his ability
to re-seed now?
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You're not speaking from experience here, are you?
> Zone 5 - Rhode Island - not coastal.
> This spring, I replanted my front lawn (3000 sq ft). I realize the spring
> is not the best time to plant, but I had to do it. I top-dressed with a
> loam-compost mix. I didn't use Tupersan when planting. Now, in some
> sections of the lawn, there are large clumps of crabgrass. There is too
> much to kill it with a crabgrass killer. I would like to over-seed the
> front lawn again this fall with a high-quality seed. What do I do with the
> crabgrass? Should I just kill it will Round-up and start over, or can I
> just use the slit-seeder, basically cutting through the crabgrass.
> Thanks for your time.