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 Billy wrote:

I'm glad my rant post with useful information attached, unlike the
originals, was indeed of some use. I just didn't want people stumbling
onto the thread and being mislead into going to worthless sites so I
chose some of the better resources.


Not really.. Wife's a teacher, middle school special ed.. She works
quite a bit at home while I'm working on sites(I'm a web monkey).

Fully understand how hard it can be to get in research time..


I'll keep my NCLB opinions out of the mix.. Main thing though is states
are still allowed to run their educational program as they see fit with
no real government mandates.

The US is lacking in education.. Personally I like Europe's way of
thinking. They take an aptitude test to see what the child is good at.
Once the area is found the schooling is shifted into that direction, so
if they're good at engineering the schooling is keyed to make them
succeed at that.

US on the other hand.. Well.. Darn if that doesn't stomp on some freedom
somewhere. So the whole education system is equalized to make sure
everyone gets their fair share of education in all subjects, even if
it's worthless to the child and will have no affect in bettering them or
their future.

Oh well.. Just my two cents.


Got out in 94, so I'm on a more modern view of how it is.. They know
what to do, they just can't do it and no state wants to be mandated to
any new government testing guidelines that dictate what states need to do.

 

Eh, glad to meet you Scott, but my take on US vs. European education is
just the opposite. In Europe, at least the parts I'm familiar with,
France and Germany, students take an exam at the age of 12 yr. old to
determine whether they will be going to university or technical
training. I don't like the stress that puts on people still in the
maturation process. Some kids can't read until they are seven because
their eye muscles are slow in developing, but they do develop. Hopefully
not after a traumatic encounter with the educational system. In Europe,
France at least, once you are admitted to a university (and you will
have the equivalent of an A.A. degree) you can kick back and float the
rest of the way, whereas here (we start at a deficit) you have to work
your heinie off to survive. My point is, let kids be kids. Let them
think that they can succeed. Then, when they are mature, they can
encounter university and say,"Boy, this is tough but I did it before,
and therefore, I can do it again". Not wanting to go chauvinistic but I
want to point out that American scientists seem to out produce everyone
else in Nobel Prizes.

Please don't bring up the fact that Henery Kissenger won a Nobel Peace
Prize, it would just cheapen the prestige.

Anyway, that's my two cents worth.

Thanks again for the web sites.
--

Billy

Bush & Cheney, Behind Bars

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Every kid does not always have to feel like they are winners.  I'm
personally tired of this "everyone wins the game" mentality.  Some
teams lose at soccer.   Some kids will pump gas, some will design the
tanks, and some will invent rockets.

This new shift where everyone wins is the Oprahtization of the United
States.  This touchy feely, love, if it feels good do it mentality is
burrying us in lead toys from China and the sure ruination of
manufacturing in the U.S.

Let kids be kids doesn't also mean they all have to think they can
succeed.  That is paramount to entitlement, which is a HUGE problem in
this country and it certainly has lost parental management in a very
big way.  Winners whould actually work at it, not have it handed to
them because of their tender esteem.

I grew up in the late 50s and 60s and I never thought I'd say it, but
those were much better days.  Kids were expected to learn to read by
first grade.  Now, we have kids in kindergarten learning to read.
That's the grade where we should be teaching colors, communication
skills, socialization with others, sharing, etc.  Can't have it both
ways.  A kid who can't read till they are seven is dysfunctional and
should be given help.  Not drugs to "concentrate."

IMO

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You never answered my question.  Why, if Spring Hill was so awful did
you order a second time?

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www.gardening.xtz.cc.

You don't have to be so defensive.  All I did was ask a question.  I
wasn't accusing you of anything.  However, after the first time, why
did you order a second time?  Was the first order okay?  I'm just
curious.