> I started my first compost pile last fall, mostly leaves mulched with my > mower. I turned it several times, but given the limited time, it's not > yet compost - mostly just leaves. > > Anyway, I'm planning to use raised beds this season, and I was hoping to > use this "compost" in the raised beds. I was planning to rototill this > compost into the first several inches of soil, then install the raised > beds, add some more of this compost, and finish off with some local > topsoil from the local nursury.
Sounds OK. What is the base soil that you will be placing the raised
beds on? If not clay, you probably don't need to turn the ground. The
decomposers ( ameba, fungi, bacteria) have already enter the compost, so
blending the compost into the soil is no problem. Compost shouldn't be
more than 10%- 15% by volume of you soil. Since you will need to
fertilize the bed anyway, add chicken manure at the rate of 18 lbs/100
sq. ft., which will also address the nitrogen demands of the brown
organic material that you add, and add the microbes that the soil may be
deficient in. You could always use the bottom portion of you compost
pile to make a compost tea to increase the population of soil microbes.
The other possibility would be to spray a dilute mixture of molasses or
sugar on the bed, once it is preped, which will set off a population
explosion among the mirobes.
> > Am I missing something? Will this leaf-compost be problematic? Should I > swap the topsoil planned for the raised beds for something else.
There is little true topsoil for sale. There is always the worry that
the soil may be contaminated with herbicides or heavy metals. If you
have soil that you can use, top or not, just blend it with organic
material. If your soil is mostly clay, you may want to blend in some
sand as well. Ideal soil composition should be 30%-40% sand, 30%-40%
silt, and 20%-30% clay. As I wrote, 10%- 15%, by volume, of you soil
(the above) should be organic material.
> > Any guidance for a newby would be greatly appreciated. > > DB
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> >> I started my first compost pile last fall, mostly leaves mulched >> with my mower. I turned it several times, but given the limited >> time, it's not yet compost - mostly just leaves. >> >> Anyway, I'm planning to use raised beds this season, and I was >> hoping to use this "compost" in the raised beds. I was planning to >> rototill this compost into the first several inches of soil, then >> install the raised beds, add some more of this compost, and finish >> off with some local topsoil from the local nursury.
> Sounds OK. What is the base soil that you will be placing the raised > beds on? If not clay, you probably don't need to turn the ground. The > decomposers ( ameba, fungi, bacteria) have already enter the compost, > so blending the compost into the soil is no problem. Compost > shouldn't be more than 10%- 15% by volume of you soil. Since you will > need to fertilize the bed anyway, add chicken manure at the rate of > 18 lbs/100 sq. ft., which will also address the nitrogen demands of > the brown organic material that you add, and add the microbes that > the soil may be deficient in. You could always use the bottom portion > of you compost pile to make a compost tea to increase the population > of soil microbes. The other possibility would be to spray a dilute > mixture of molasses or sugar on the bed, once it is preped, which > will set off a population explosion among the mirobes.
My soil is good old Indiana clay. I think I'll add a bit of the leaf
matter to help break up the soil and get a mess of chicken manure as
you suggest.
>> Am I missing something? Will this leaf-compost be problematic? >> Should I swap the topsoil planned for the raised beds for something >> else. > There is little true topsoil for sale. There is always the worry that > the soil may be contaminated with herbicides or heavy metals. If you > have soil that you can use, top or not, just blend it with organic > material. If your soil is mostly clay, you may want to blend in some > sand as well. Ideal soil composition should be 30%-40% sand, 30%-40% > silt, and 20%-30% clay. As I wrote, 10%- 15%, by volume, of you soil > (the above) should be organic material.
Thanks for your guidance. I'll try to achieve this ratio
mmmm, I can almost taste the tomatoes already....
Posted by Phisherman on March 7, 2010, 1:42 pm
On Sun, 7 Mar 2010 15:30:00 +0000 (UTC), DirtBag
>I started my first compost pile last fall, mostly leaves mulched with my >mower. I turned it several times, but given the limited time, it's not >yet compost - mostly just leaves. >Anyway, I'm planning to use raised beds this season, and I was hoping to >use this "compost" in the raised beds. I was planning to rototill this >compost into the first several inches of soil, then install the raised >beds, add some more of this compost, and finish off with some local >topsoil from the local nursury. >Am I missing something? Will this leaf-compost be problematic? Should I >swap the topsoil planned for the raised beds for something else. >Any guidance for a newby would be greatly appreciated. >DB
Use the parts that have composted. I have three wire compost bins,
each at varying decomposition stages. Leaves alone will take much
longer to compost, turning into leaf mold (a valuable organic material
but maybe not typical "compost"). Maybe your leaf pile is cold--try
mixing in some green material until you see some steam coming off of
it. When that happens the pile will decrease in volume, turn dark,
and break into finer pieces. A live compost pile works like magic.
Posted by DirtBag on March 7, 2010, 1:56 pm
Phisherman said
> On Sun, 7 Mar 2010 15:30:00 +0000 (UTC), DirtBag > >>I started my first compost pile last fall, mostly leaves mulched with >>my mower. I turned it several times, but given the limited time, >>it's not yet compost - mostly just leaves. >> >>Anyway, I'm planning to use raised beds this season, and I was hoping >>to use this "compost" in the raised beds. I was planning to rototill >>this compost into the first several inches of soil, then install the >>raised beds, add some more of this compost, and finish off with some >>local topsoil from the local nursury. >> >>Am I missing something? Will this leaf-compost be problematic? >>Should I swap the topsoil planned for the raised beds for something >>else. >> >>Any guidance for a newby would be greatly appreciated. >> >>DB > > > Use the parts that have composted. I have three wire compost bins, > each at varying decomposition stages. Leaves alone will take much > longer to compost, turning into leaf mold (a valuable organic > material but maybe not typical "compost"). Maybe your leaf pile is > cold--try mixing in some green material until you see some steam > coming off of it. When that happens the pile will decrease in > volume, turn dark, and break into finer pieces. A live compost > pile works like magic. >
I did have a fair amount of greens in the pile, I also added some bone
meal, the pile did get hot last fall, but I think it cooled over the
winter. I turned it again, hopefully it'll fire back up. I'm going to
put in some more bloodmeal too. I clearly need a dedicated compost pile.
Posted by dr-solo on March 8, 2010, 9:43 am
One year my mother actually spaced wire compost bins out in the beds and planted
the
tomatoes around them. stuff continued to be added to the bins and they were well
watered the idea being that the "green tea" would leach out to the plants. Well
it
sure did. most tomatoes end up with the lower leaves drying up a bit after
midsummer
just when the tomatoes start to color up, but not in those plants planted next
to the
compost bins!!! which continued with robust green leaves straight thru till
frost.
I have composted in plastic bags. made a hole in the top middle to add water and
left
them out in the sun and the stuff fell apart. a lot of flat area and work (and
leftover non degradable black plastic bags).
as Phisherman says compost NEEDS water for the microbes and worms to do their
magic.
BTW, are you the same Phisherman used to be on the goldfish list?
Ingrid
>Use the parts that have composted. I have three wire compost bins, >each at varying decomposition stages. Leaves alone will take much >longer to compost, turning into leaf mold (a valuable organic material >but maybe not typical "compost"). Maybe your leaf pile is cold--try >mixing in some green material until you see some steam coming off of >it. When that happens the pile will decrease in volume, turn dark, >and break into finer pieces. A live compost pile works like magic.
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> mower. I turned it several times, but given the limited time, it's not
> yet compost - mostly just leaves.
>
> Anyway, I'm planning to use raised beds this season, and I was hoping to
> use this "compost" in the raised beds. I was planning to rototill this
> compost into the first several inches of soil, then install the raised
> beds, add some more of this compost, and finish off with some local
> topsoil from the local nursury.