Posted by Dan L. on July 9, 2010, 3:22 pm
In article
>
> > Billy wrote:
> > >
> > >> Besides some drip irrigation well timed for the garden. Refreshed
> > >> the bird bath and turned off most electric this soon. about 103 and
> > >> dew point 62 F.
> > >>
> > > Don't feel neglected, this is a global heat wave. Half of "Democracy
> > > Now" today, is on climate warming and what will happen (people die),
> >
> > Nah. It's 11C and drizzling rain here all week. No global heat wave.
> > Therefore AGW is just a myth. Just those pinko socialists trying for world
> > domination. Pah!
> >
> > David
Of the two economic systems Capitalism and Socialism, Socialism will be
the survivor. What if in the future, ten percent of the worlds
population can provide for 100 percent of all goods and services through
free trade and automation, What kind of economic system will one have
where 90 percent of the population has no job? The good times are over
with.
The world is becoming more productive each and every year. Capitalism is
a dying economic system. I am not saying the future will be a good
future. Rationing on all levels will occur. Distribution of wealth is
the only answer. Like it or not.
--
Enjoy Life... Dan
Garden in Zone 5 South East Michigan.
Posted by Billy on July 9, 2010, 5:30 pm
> In article
>
> >
> > > Billy wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> Besides some drip irrigation well timed for the garden. Refreshed
> > > >> the bird bath and turned off most electric this soon. about 103 and
> > > >> dew point 62 F.
> > > >>
> > > > Don't feel neglected, this is a global heat wave. Half of "Democracy
> > > > Now" today, is on climate warming and what will happen (people die),
> > >
Snip: (David being cute)
>
> Of the two economic systems Capitalism and Socialism, Socialism will be
> the survivor.
A tad OFF TOPIC, but from where I stand, there are no capitalist, but
there may be Socialism in Bolivia.
What we've had is kleptocratic authority pretending to be capitalists in
one place, and socialists (communists) in another. Americans, Russians,
Chinese, everybody has consulted with Milton Friedman on how to put the
best face on greed, and maintaining the elite class. All the power
brokers want neo-liberalism, because you don't have to think for it to
operate. The markets correct themselves. Even Schwarzenegger can
understand the beauty of no need to regulate, the markets correct
themselves. Which we found out, isn't true.
In the "Commodities Futures Modernization Act", which in the 11th hour
was inserted into an omnibus spending bill by then Senator Phil Gramm in
2000, the trading of mortagage credit default swaps was suddenly legal
again. They were not legal since 1934 since the passing of the
Glass-Steagal Act.
After Gramm's little sleight of hand, the investment banks could
suddenly sell "insurance" against a mortgage default. That's not a
problem, but they were allowed to do so WITHOUT COLLATERAL. They didn't
have to show that they had assets in reserve to back up the mortage
defaults in the event that they did fail.
It was almost like a license to print money. The higher ups in those
companies made huge bonuses by selling the credit default swaps in a
positive housing market because none of the loans were defaulting. It
was pure profit. The problem came when the housing market declined, the
policies came due and there were no assets to back up the policies. The
banks were so big that the financial system would grind to a halt if
they failed, so the government was forced to step in and bail them out.
In the meantime, the people who sold those deriviatives got to keep
their bonuses.
The system is incentivized in such a way that it's bound to happen again
if it's not regulated.
When the markets aren't regulated, it's the invisible hand of the elite
that drives shares up, or down.
Dust off that old Michael Douglas DVD "Wallstreet", and see again, how
the game is played.
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/04/28/opinion/28wed1.html
And now there is no money to bail out the victims, i.e. the taxpayers.
Productivity has gone up since 1987, income hasn't for the worker.
Bush gave the rich tax breaks.
There are more billionaires than ever before.
And now they cut support to the disabled, old, and the sick.
Libraries are cutting back.
The Post Office wants to cut back.
The parks of Detroit are closed.
There are potholes in the street.
And it costs Toronto $2 billion to have the rich come and plan for a
week? Two billion dollars of taxpayer dollars? Who calls the shots?
We all know where the money went. But our congesspeople won't let us tax
the one class that has benefitted from the last quarter century
neo-liberal greed.
I just hope we can make as much noise as the Greeks are doing.
> What if in the future, ten percent of the worlds
> population can provide for 100 percent of all goods and services through
> free trade and automation, What kind of economic system will one have
> where 90 percent of the population has no job? The good times are over
> with.
>
> The world is becoming more productive each and every year. Capitalism is
> a dying economic system. I am not saying the future will be a good
> future. Rationing on all levels will occur. Distribution of wealth is
> the only answer. Like it or not.
--
- Billy
"Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the
merger of state and corporate power." - Benito Mussolini.
http://www.democracynow.org/2010/7/2/maude
http://www.democracynow.org/2010/6/28/naomi_klein_the_real_crime_scene
Posted by Bill who putters on July 9, 2010, 5:51 pm
In article
>
> > In article
> >
> > >
> > > > Billy wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >> Besides some drip irrigation well timed for the garden. Refreshed
> > > > >> the bird bath and turned off most electric this soon. about 103 and
> > > > >> dew point 62 F.
> > > > >>
> > > > > Don't feel neglected, this is a global heat wave. Half of "Democracy
> > > > > Now" today, is on climate warming and what will happen (people die),
> > > >
>
> Snip: (David being cute)
> >
> > Of the two economic systems Capitalism and Socialism, Socialism will be
> > the survivor.
> A tad OFF TOPIC, but from where I stand, there are no capitalist, but
> there may be Socialism in Bolivia.
>
> What we've had is kleptocratic authority pretending to be capitalists in
> one place, and socialists (communists) in another. Americans, Russians,
> Chinese, everybody has consulted with Milton Friedman on how to put the
> best face on greed, and maintaining the elite class. All the power
> brokers want neo-liberalism, because you don't have to think for it to
> operate. The markets correct themselves. Even Schwarzenegger can
> understand the beauty of no need to regulate, the markets correct
> themselves. Which we found out, isn't true.
>
> In the "Commodities Futures Modernization Act", which in the 11th hour
> was inserted into an omnibus spending bill by then Senator Phil Gramm in
> 2000, the trading of mortagage credit default swaps was suddenly legal
> again. They were not legal since 1934 since the passing of the
> Glass-Steagal Act.
>
> After Gramm's little sleight of hand, the investment banks could
> suddenly sell "insurance" against a mortgage default. That's not a
> problem, but they were allowed to do so WITHOUT COLLATERAL. They didn't
> have to show that they had assets in reserve to back up the mortage
> defaults in the event that they did fail.
>
> It was almost like a license to print money. The higher ups in those
> companies made huge bonuses by selling the credit default swaps in a
> positive housing market because none of the loans were defaulting. It
> was pure profit. The problem came when the housing market declined, the
> policies came due and there were no assets to back up the policies. The
> banks were so big that the financial system would grind to a halt if
> they failed, so the government was forced to step in and bail them out.
> In the meantime, the people who sold those deriviatives got to keep
> their bonuses.
>
> The system is incentivized in such a way that it's bound to happen again
> if it's not regulated.
>
> When the markets aren't regulated, it's the invisible hand of the elite
> that drives shares up, or down.
>
> Dust off that old Michael Douglas DVD "Wallstreet", and see again, how
> the game is played.
>
> http://www.nytimes.com/2010/04/28/opinion/28wed1.html
>
> And now there is no money to bail out the victims, i.e. the taxpayers.
> Productivity has gone up since 1987, income hasn't for the worker.
> Bush gave the rich tax breaks.
> There are more billionaires than ever before.
> And now they cut support to the disabled, old, and the sick.
> Libraries are cutting back.
> The Post Office wants to cut back.
> The parks of Detroit are closed.
> There are potholes in the street.
>
> And it costs Toronto $2 billion to have the rich come and plan for a
> week? Two billion dollars of taxpayer dollars? Who calls the shots?
>
> We all know where the money went. But our congesspeople won't let us tax
> the one class that has benefitted from the last quarter century
> neo-liberal greed.
>
> I just hope we can make as much noise as the Greeks are doing.
>
> > What if in the future, ten percent of the worlds
> > population can provide for 100 percent of all goods and services through
> > free trade and automation, What kind of economic system will one have
> > where 90 percent of the population has no job? The good times are over
> > with.
> >
> > The world is becoming more productive each and every year. Capitalism is
> > a dying economic system. I am not saying the future will be a good
> > future. Rationing on all levels will occur. Distribution of wealth is
> > the only answer. Like it or not.
Is that a pink tie you are wearing ? I had one 50 years ago and I'd
love to find it again. Pinko!
Dan L and " I feel fine" sort of misses the irony issue. 22 years ago
some folks thought slash and burn ( Carbon freeing) was not good and
gave us a heads up. Warnings can only go so far as most seem to need to
feel the heat before they withdraw the hand. Trouble is like the frog
in cold water he will not jump out with the boil.
Most now look at long term as next week, some Dec 25 but longer that is
not their problem. Gross assumption.
Gardeners however have too look at the longer picture and sometimes
they may look much further. Why? I don't know but love of life may be
in the top 5 modus operants.
--
Bill S. Jersey USA zone 5 shade garden
What use one more wake up call?
Posted by David Hare-Scott on July 9, 2010, 6:39 pm
Dan L. wrote:
> In article
>>
>>> Billy wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Besides some drip irrigation well timed for the garden.
>>>>> Refreshed the bird bath and turned off most electric this soon.
>>>>> about 103 and dew point 62 F.
>>>>>
>>>> Don't feel neglected, this is a global heat wave. Half of
>>>> "Democracy Now" today, is on climate warming and what will happen
>>>> (people die),
>>>
>>> Nah. It's 11C and drizzling rain here all week. No global heat
>>> wave. Therefore AGW is just a myth. Just those pinko socialists
>>> trying for world domination. Pah!
>>>
>>> David
> Of the two economic systems Capitalism and Socialism, Socialism will
> be the survivor. What if in the future, ten percent of the worlds
> population can provide for 100 percent of all goods and services
> through free trade and automation, What kind of economic system will
> one have where 90 percent of the population has no job? The good
> times are over with.
> The world is becoming more productive each and every year. Capitalism
> is a dying economic system. I am not saying the future will be a good
> future. Rationing on all levels will occur. Distribution of wealth is
> the only answer. Like it or not.
I am not sure what the replacement system will be but laissez faire
capitalism isn't going to be the winner. The simple reason is that nobody
knows how to make it run without constant growth. The resources of the
world are limited and so growth WILL come to an end. The question is, will
we be vaguely in control and managing the situation or will it be a crash
landing?
David
Posted by Dan L. on July 12, 2010, 11:10 am
> Dan L. wrote:
> > In article
> >
> >>
> >>> Billy wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> Besides some drip irrigation well timed for the garden.
> >>>>> Refreshed the bird bath and turned off most electric this soon.
> >>>>> about 103 and dew point 62 F.
> >>>>>
> >>>> Don't feel neglected, this is a global heat wave. Half of
> >>>> "Democracy Now" today, is on climate warming and what will happen
> >>>> (people die),
> >>>
> >>> Nah. It's 11C and drizzling rain here all week. No global heat
> >>> wave. Therefore AGW is just a myth. Just those pinko socialists
> >>> trying for world domination. Pah!
> >>>
> >>> David
> >
> > Of the two economic systems Capitalism and Socialism, Socialism will
> > be the survivor. What if in the future, ten percent of the worlds
> > population can provide for 100 percent of all goods and services
> > through free trade and automation, What kind of economic system will
> > one have where 90 percent of the population has no job? The good
> > times are over with.
> >
> > The world is becoming more productive each and every year. Capitalism
> > is a dying economic system. I am not saying the future will be a good
> > future. Rationing on all levels will occur. Distribution of wealth is
> > the only answer. Like it or not.
>
> I am not sure what the replacement system will be but laissez faire
> capitalism isn't going to be the winner. The simple reason is that nobody
> knows how to make it run without constant growth. The resources of the
> world are limited and so growth WILL come to an end. The question is, will
> we be vaguely in control and managing the situation or will it be a crash
> landing?
>
> David
The near future economic system could be: ANARCHISM :)
--
Enjoy Life... Dan
Garden in Zone 5 South East Michigan.
> > Billy wrote:
> > >
> > >> Besides some drip irrigation well timed for the garden. Refreshed
> > >> the bird bath and turned off most electric this soon. about 103 and
> > >> dew point 62 F.
> > >>
> > > Don't feel neglected, this is a global heat wave. Half of "Democracy
> > > Now" today, is on climate warming and what will happen (people die),
> >
> > Nah. It's 11C and drizzling rain here all week. No global heat wave.
> > Therefore AGW is just a myth. Just those pinko socialists trying for world
> > domination. Pah!
> >
> > David