Posted by Gunner on April 27, 2011, 4:03 pm
> Hi guys,
> This is my first post and I'll confess from the start I'm new to
> gardening!.......
Your overall plan doesn't sound too bad but having a good soil test
done prior will guide you much better. The test should give you
specific advice on the fertilization protocol for your particular
plants/soil, as well as recommendation of type, quantity, etc of
minerals for liming. Lot of reasons for this such as whether you will
need calcitic and dolomitic lime. Anything you do should be based
off of this test. I'm sure you can find a lab close to you. A good
test here in the US is ~ 13-15$. Its cheap at twice the price.
BTW billy: 4-10% OM is considered acceptable limits
Posted by Nad R on April 27, 2011, 11:51 pm
>
> it reads like the drainage ditch you put in
> works just fine, you need to slope the rest of
> the area so that the water flows towards the
> center. or you can trench crossways and tie
> into the central trench.
>
> for torrents of rain you might consider
> adding a low area in to catch the overflow
> and that way it has a place to sit while it
> soaks in.
>
> i'd not use gravel unless you are putting
> in a french drain, resevoir drain or drain
> tube with a grate.
>
> also, i'd not mix the decayed wood chips
> with the clay. better to leave the clay
> undisturbed as much as possible. use the
> small really broken down particles in the
> topsoil if you have to do something with
> it and don't have any other place to go with
> it (it would be much better used in a
> garden) but i would not put the bigger pieces
> of wood chips in the topsoil. that can later
> encourage moss or fungus troubles. use them
> instead as a garden mulch or along a fence or
> under the deck or...
>
> i don't agree with Nad about growing grass
> in clay especially if you plan on using it
> for a play area for a child. that stuff gets
> way too hard when it gets dry. i've got a
> broken collarbone in the past from landing
> wrong on such a surface.
I mentioned it would be hard during dry spells. However it will still look
just as nice as any other lawn. I will also agree the gravel is a waste of
money unless your are putting in a path, then put down a "Road Tarp",
heavier than landscaping tarp, then put down the gravel or road mix
(concrete mixed with gravel) on top. The gravel on top of clay will just
sink into the ground.
When it comes to soil improvement, the old saying is true. Their are three
aspects to improving soil, "Quickly", "Low Cost" and "Quality" Choose any
two items. The method I choose was Low Cost and Quickly, Quality of the
soil will not be the best in the short term. I think that is how the
phrase goes :)
Also you mentioned "low area" for water to soak in. Clay does not soak in.
It will stay there until it evaporates. You will only form a small stagnant
pond for mosquitoes.
As for your broken collar bone. One should never put their arms out to try
and stop the fall, the result will be a broken collar bone on any kind of
surface except water perhaps. One should tuck the arms in and turn the body
to the side and hit the ground with the shoulder and roll onto the surface.
Karate lessons would have taught you this :)... Or even football.
They can build a small sand box area for the kids swing set. Or better yet
a DoJo in the basement :)
--
Enjoy Life... Nad R (Garden in zone 5a Michigan)
Posted by dr-solo on April 28, 2011, 8:13 am
really very true. Everyone should have at least a couple weeks of judo lessons
when
they teach you how to fall. Living in the land of ice and snow it has come in
very
handy indeed. The older I get, the more thankful I am that I got this training.
Ingrid
ood
>As for your broken collar bone. One should never put their arms out to try
>and stop the fall, the result will be a broken collar bone on any kind of
>surface except water perhaps. One should tuck the arms in and turn the body
>to the side and hit the ground with the shoulder and roll onto the surface.
>Karate lessons would have taught you this :)... Or even football.
>They can build a small sand box area for the kids swing set. Or better yet
>a DoJo in the basement :)
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Somewhere between zone 5 and 6 tucked along the shore of Lake Michigan
on the council grounds of the Fox, Mascouten, Potawatomi, and Winnebago
Posted by Billy on April 28, 2011, 11:44 am
dr-solo@wi.rr.com wrote:
> really very true. Everyone should have at least a couple weeks of judo
> lessons when
> they teach you how to fall. Living in the land of ice and snow it has come
> in very
> handy indeed. The older I get, the more thankful I am that I got this
> training.
If falling, it is best to look at you belt buckle to avoid hitting the
back of your heard when you land. If you're falling off a ladder, all
bets are off. Old people have no business climbing ladders.
>
> Ingrid
>
> On Thu, 28 Apr 2011 03:51:09 +0000 (UTC), Nad R
> >As for your broken collar bone. One should never put their arms out to try
> >and stop the fall, the result will be a broken collar bone on any kind of
> >surface except water perhaps. One should tuck the arms in and turn the body
> >to the side and hit the ground with the shoulder and roll onto the surface.
> >Karate lessons would have taught you this :)... Or even football.
> >
> >They can build a small sand box area for the kids swing set. Or better yet
> >a DoJo in the basement :)
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Somewhere between zone 5 and 6 tucked along the shore of Lake Michigan
> on the council grounds of the Fox, Mascouten, Potawatomi, and Winnebago
--
- Billy
Bush's 3rd term: Obama plus another elective war
Bush's 4th term: we can't afford it
America is not broke. The country is awash in wealth and cash.
It's just that it's not in your hands. It has been transferred, in the
greatest heist in history, from the workers and consumers to the banks
and the portfolios of the uber-rich.
<http://theuptake.org/2011/03/05/michael-moore-the-big-lie-wisconsin-is-broke/>
Posted by Bill who putters on April 28, 2011, 11:52 am
In article
> dr-solo@wi.rr.com wrote:
>
> > really very true. Everyone should have at least a couple weeks of judo
> > lessons when
> > they teach you how to fall. Living in the land of ice and snow it has come
> > in very
> > handy indeed. The older I get, the more thankful I am that I got this
> > training.
> If falling, it is best to look at you belt buckle to avoid hitting the
> back of your heard when you land. If you're falling off a ladder, all
> bets are off. Old people have no business climbing ladders.
> >
> > Ingrid
> >
> > On Thu, 28 Apr 2011 03:51:09 +0000 (UTC), Nad R
> > >As for your broken collar bone. One should never put their arms out to try
> > >and stop the fall, the result will be a broken collar bone on any kind of
> > >surface except water perhaps. One should tuck the arms in and turn the body
> > >to the side and hit the ground with the shoulder and roll onto the surface.
> > >Karate lessons would have taught you this :)... Or even football.
> > >
> > >They can build a small sand box area for the kids swing set. Or better yet
> > >a DoJo in the basement :)
> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> > Somewhere between zone 5 and 6 tucked along the shore of Lake Michigan
> > on the council grounds of the Fox, Mascouten, Potawatomi, and Winnebago
Consider Tai Chi.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15814861
or http://thurly.net/1ebp
--
Bill S. Jersey USA zone 5 shade garden
"The best fertilizer is the gardener's shadow." - Anon
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> This is my first post and I'll confess from the start I'm new to
> gardening!.......