Posted by Zanahoria on October 26, 2011, 5:07 pm
Evening folks,
I have tried to find an answer everywhere on the net, yet it is not to
be found !
I recently bought 6 raspberry canes (sold as Allgold, but I believe
actually called Fallgold?) from Nottcutts in Maidstone. I just went in
for a look, bought them on impulse. I now know you're supposed to plant
them in November but it's only a week away so I hope it's not going to
make such a difference.
I planted them in the ground but after today's rain I realised my soil
is just too clayey, so I moved them to a big 60cm wide and about 2ft
deep round tub that had a loamy soil in it with compost. I put four of
the canes in that, an two of them in a long rectangular 15cm deep tub.
My question is: I've planted them in late October, but they will go
dormant. So will I see anything happening at all (perhaps just root
growth?) or will nothing happen until Spring? If they won't even grow
until Spring, how can I be sure they're even alive?
Also, I bought some Miracle Gro that smells like Marmite but having now
read the label, it says for fruit "start in Spring or when the fruit
starts flowering" so I guess it's useless to get the canes settled. What
should I get? bonemeal?
Someone please help, completely clueless. What an eejit, should have
done some more research !
Thanks in advance,
Tom
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Zanahoria
Posted by Higgs Boson on October 27, 2011, 2:08 am
wrote:
> Evening folks,
> I have tried to find an answer everywhere on the net, yet it is not to
> be found !
> I recently bought 6 raspberry canes (sold as Allgold, but I believe
> actually called Fallgold?) from Nottcutts in Maidstone. I just went in
> for a look, bought them on impulse. I now know you're supposed to plant
> them in November but it's only a week away so I hope it's not going to
> make such a difference.
> I planted them in the ground but after today's rain I realised my soil
> is just too clayey, so I moved them to a big 60cm wide and about 2ft
> deep round tub that had a loamy soil in it with compost. I put four of
> the canes in that, an two of them in a long rectangular 15cm deep tub.
> My question is: I've planted them in late October, but they will go
> dormant. So will I see anything happening at all (perhaps just root
> growth?) or will nothing happen until Spring? If they won't even grow
> until Spring, how can I be sure they're even alive?
> Also, I bought some Miracle Gro that smells like Marmite but having now
> read the label, it says for fruit "start in Spring or when the fruit
> starts flowering" so I guess it's useless to get the canes settled. What
> should I get? bonemeal?
> Someone please help, completely clueless. What an eejit, should have
> done some more research !
> Thanks in advance,
> Tom
> --
> Zanahoria
>>Many REAL gardeners prefer to amend the soil rather than use the
>>fast fix of Miracle Gro. So since you have time ahead of you, perhaps
>>you could work on amending your clayey soil. I garden in an area of
>>adobe (clay) soil, so I work on adding compost, worm castings,
>>other elements that change the pH toward the äcidic. Easy to
>>research on-line, using keywords like "amend alkaline/clay soil",
>>"change pH" & so forth.
>>The time invested will pay off hugely down the line. Meantime,
>>your canes will probably be very happy in the containers with loamy
>>composted soil.
>>If you're worried about their being alive, just scratch along the cane
>>with your fingernail. You should see green if they''re alive. But
>>why wouldn't they be, dormant or not?
>>So don't panic; you have plenty of time to do your research. Just
>>send good thoughts, and adequate but not too much water to
>>your future raspberry bushes. (Mouth is watering...)
HB
Posted by Zanahoria on October 27, 2011, 2:48 pm
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Zanahoria[/i][/color]
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Many REAL gardeners prefer to amend the soil rather than use the
fast fix of Miracle Gro. So since you have time ahead of you, perhaps
you could work on amending your clayey soil. I garden in an area of
adobe (clay) soil, so I work on adding compost, worm castings,
other elements that change the pH toward the äcidic. Easy to
research on-line, using keywords like "amend alkaline/clay soil",
"change pH" & so forth.--
--
The time invested will pay off hugely down the line. Meantime,
your canes will probably be very happy in the containers with loamy
composted soil.--
--
If you're worried about their being alive, just scratch along the cane
with your fingernail. You should see green if they''re alive. But
why wouldn't they be, dormant or not?--
--
So don't panic; you have plenty of time to do your research. Just
send good thoughts, and adequate but not too much water to
your future raspberry bushes. (Mouth is watering...)--
HB
Thanks Higgs.
I intend to when I start preparing my vegetable patch in January. I did
not think it was appropriate to start that kind of thing until after
Winter? I did not realise the ground in my garden was so compact and
sodden...
I have a compost bin bubbling away in the garden and my Aunt has three
horses and a chicken farm so I'll be asking her to stockpile some manure
for me in December :P Hopefully that, compost, some double-digging and
whatever you can buy to break up clay will do the trick.
No I know they're alive now, I was just thinking if they don't do anything
i.e. dormant until March that's 5 months as just some sticks poking in the
mud... how do you know they're doing OK? Will their rootballs grow? if so
I might buy some bigger pots to put them, if not, I'll just leave them
where they are.
--
Zanahoria
Posted by Higgs Boson on October 29, 2011, 4:10 pm
wrote:
> --
> Zanahoria[/i][/color]
> --
> Many REAL gardeners prefer to amend the soil rather than use the
> fast fix of Miracle Gro. So since you have time ahead of you, perhaps
> you could work on amending your clayey soil. I garden in an area of
> adobe (clay) soil, so I work on adding compost, worm castings,
> other elements that change the pH toward the cidic. Easy to
> research on-line, using keywords like "amend alkaline/clay soil",
> "change pH" & so forth.--
> --
> The time invested will pay off hugely down the line. Meantime,
> your canes will probably be very happy in the containers with loamy
> composted soil.--
> --
> If you're worried about their being alive, just scratch along the cane
> with your fingernail. You should see green if they''re alive. But
> why wouldn't they be, dormant or not?--
> --
> So don't panic; you have plenty of time to do your research. Just
> send good thoughts, and adequate but not too much water to
> your future raspberry bushes. (Mouth is watering...)--
> HB
> Thanks Higgs.
> I intend to when I start preparing my vegetable patch in January. I did
> not think it was appropriate to start that kind of thing until after
> Winter? I did not realise the ground in my garden was so compact and
> sodden...
> I have a compost bin bubbling away in the garden and my Aunt has three
> horses and a chicken farm so I'll be asking her to stockpile some manure
> for me in December :P Hopefully that, compost, some double-digging and
> whatever you can buy to break up clay will do the trick.
> No I know they're alive now, I was just thinking if they don't do anything
> i.e. dormant until March that's 5 months as just some sticks poking in the
> mud... how do you know they're doing OK? Will their rootballs grow? if so
> I might buy some bigger pots to put them, if not, I'll just leave them
> where they are.
> --
> Zanahoria
***Wonderful about the compost bin and the chicken manure. But try to
utilize the chickie-doo-doo only after it has had a chance to --
what? age? cure?
*** Point being that very fresh chicken manure is really dynamite and
could possibly burn plants. Auntie probably knows this <g>
HB
Posted by beecrofter on October 27, 2011, 2:44 pm
No fertilizer now. Fallgold is a pretty sturdy variety. I would keep
the tub or container plunged in the ground so it is not as cold as the
air.
> I have tried to find an answer everywhere on the net, yet it is not to
> be found !
> I recently bought 6 raspberry canes (sold as Allgold, but I believe
> actually called Fallgold?) from Nottcutts in Maidstone. I just went in
> for a look, bought them on impulse. I now know you're supposed to plant
> them in November but it's only a week away so I hope it's not going to
> make such a difference.
> I planted them in the ground but after today's rain I realised my soil
> is just too clayey, so I moved them to a big 60cm wide and about 2ft
> deep round tub that had a loamy soil in it with compost. I put four of
> the canes in that, an two of them in a long rectangular 15cm deep tub.
> My question is: I've planted them in late October, but they will go
> dormant. So will I see anything happening at all (perhaps just root
> growth?) or will nothing happen until Spring? If they won't even grow
> until Spring, how can I be sure they're even alive?
> Also, I bought some Miracle Gro that smells like Marmite but having now
> read the label, it says for fruit "start in Spring or when the fruit
> starts flowering" so I guess it's useless to get the canes settled. What
> should I get? bonemeal?
> Someone please help, completely clueless. What an eejit, should have
> done some more research !
> Thanks in advance,
> Tom
> --
> Zanahoria
>>Many REAL gardeners prefer to amend the soil rather than use the
>>fast fix of Miracle Gro. So since you have time ahead of you, perhaps
>>you could work on amending your clayey soil. I garden in an area of
>>adobe (clay) soil, so I work on adding compost, worm castings,
>>other elements that change the pH toward the äcidic. Easy to
>>research on-line, using keywords like "amend alkaline/clay soil",
>>"change pH" & so forth.
>>The time invested will pay off hugely down the line. Meantime,
>>your canes will probably be very happy in the containers with loamy
>>composted soil.
>>If you're worried about their being alive, just scratch along the cane
>>with your fingernail. You should see green if they''re alive. But
>>why wouldn't they be, dormant or not?
>>So don't panic; you have plenty of time to do your research. Just
>>send good thoughts, and adequate but not too much water to
>>your future raspberry bushes. (Mouth is watering...)
HB