Posted by Ignoramus32760 on June 4, 2004, 10:01 am
I have an area behind my chicken coop where pine trees used to grow.
The area is in partial shade (eastern part of the house)
This is agricultural zone 5 (Northrn Illinois)
We cut those trees down and removed stumps, and planted 4 fruit trees.
We want to plant grass lawn in the area. Most of the area is barren,
but there is some weed type growth on one side.
My plan is:
1. Kill weeds with ROUNDUP. Wait 2 days.
2. Rent a TILLER and TILL the area, and level it (it is uneven).
3. Sprinkle a layer of TOPSOIL
4. Spread high quality SEED
5. Sprinkle more TOPSOIL
6. WATER the area on a 3x Daily basis for 1 month
Is this sensible?
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Posted by Ignoramus32760 on June 4, 2004, 11:33 am
><< My plan is:
> 1. Kill weeds with ROUNDUP. Wait 2 days. >>
>
> Don't bother. Roundup is way too pricey for what you need to do. If you
> absolutely have to waste you money on chemicals, use 2,4,D.
I already have roundup at home... So your comment, while possibly very
wise, does not apply.
><< 2. Rent a TILLER and TILL the area, and level it (it is uneven). >>
>
> Most people would do this first and skip the chemicals entirely.
Okay, so at least that's a good idea to till.
><< 3. Sprinkle a layer of TOPSOIL >>
>
> Either get a lot of topsoil or skip this step. To be effective, you
> would probably need a 3" depth and using common numbers, a cubic
> yard is roughly a ton of soil which ought to cover maybe a 10' x 10'
> area. YMMV.
No, I just want to add maybe 1/2" of topsoil for the seeds to start
growing. The soil in the area is tolerable and I do not want to really
build up, all I want is to provide nice environment for the baby
seedlings, so to speak.
><< 4. Spread high quality SEED >>
>
> Once you've got a decent topsoil bed, this could be an option. But
> consider using sod if the area isn't too large. Prices at our local
> box stores and nurseries are good this time of year and contractors
> are scarfing up the stuff for their develoments, so it must be cost
> effective.
The area is about 20x45 feet, pretty large. I am however, very open to
the idea of using sod, but it is a bit too much hard work, it seems.
><< 5. Sprinkle more TOPSOIL >>
>
> See above.
>
><< 6. WATER the area on a 3x Daily basis for 1 month >>
>
> Following the directions for sod installation will dramatically lessen your
> need for this step. Whatever, good luck.
Someone in the biz told me that if I use SOD, I have to "flood" it
with water even more, according to him.
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Posted by David Martel on June 4, 2004, 12:57 pm
Ignoramus,
You have a plan but have no basis for a plan. No one here knows what you
soil conditions are so no one can give you good advice. Let's go through
your questions:
> 1. Kill weeds with ROUNDUP. Wait 2 days.
The directions on the bottle should be followed.
> 2. Rent a TILLER and TILL the area, and level it (it is uneven).
After a soil test and the addition of any needed chemicals or fertilizers
tilling and leveling is ok
> 3. Sprinkle a layer of TOPSOIL
This makes no sense unless the soil test suggests that you have no top
soil
> 4. Spread high quality SEED
This is correct but when will you do this? Now may not be a good time for
planting in your area
> 5. Sprinkle more TOPSOIL
No, this doesn't make sense
> 6. WATER the area on a 3x Daily basis for 1 month
This sounds like too much watering.
There should be a local office of your State's ag extension service. Call
them and get expert advice suited to your soil and your climate. They'll
probably test your soil for free but now is the busy season so don't expect
your test results anytime soon.
Good luck,
Dave M.
Posted by Ignoramus32760 on June 4, 2004, 1:38 pm
Martel wrote:
> Ignoramus,
>
> You have a plan but have no basis for a plan. No one here knows what you
> soil conditions are so no one can give you good advice. Let's go through
> your questions:
>
>> 1. Kill weeds with ROUNDUP. Wait 2 days.
>
> The directions on the bottle should be followed.
thanks.
>> 2. Rent a TILLER and TILL the area, and level it (it is uneven).
>
> After a soil test and the addition of any needed chemicals or
> fertilizers > tilling and leveling is ok
Sounds like a huge hassle, the soil looks okay to me, why should Itest
it? It looks like all other soil in my yard, and Iknow that grass
grows there.
>> 3. Sprinkle a layer of TOPSOIL
>
> This makes no sense unless the soil test suggests that you have no top
> soil
thanks, appreciate that.
>> 4. Spread high quality SEED
>
> This is correct but when will you do this? Now may not be a good time for
> planting in your area
What is a good time?
To be honest, I also suspect that it is not a good time, but will
appreciate some more detail about what is a good time and why now is
not a good time (need to explain this to WIFE).
>> 5. Sprinkle more TOPSOIL
>
> No, this doesn't make sense
Why, I need to hide the seeds from birds...
>> 6. WATER the area on a 3x Daily basis for 1 month
>
> This sounds like too much watering.
that's what the instructions on the seed say.
> There should be a local office of your State's ag extension service. Call
> them and get expert advice suited to your soil and your climate. They'll
> probably test your soil for free but now is the busy season so don't expect
> your test results anytime soon.
Thanks, will check it out... Is it by state or county?
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Posted by ng_reader on June 4, 2004, 5:19 pm
<snip>>
> What is a good time?
Fall, without question
<snip>.
> Thanks, will check it out... Is it by state or county?
county
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> 1. Kill weeds with ROUNDUP. Wait 2 days. >>
>
> Don't bother. Roundup is way too pricey for what you need to do. If you
> absolutely have to waste you money on chemicals, use 2,4,D.