Posted by dr-solo on June 12, 2007, 10:25 am
well some of us root cellar/ball jars discovered refrigerators and
freezer which is somewhat easier on the "processing" time given that
we now have jobs that take us outside the house. INgrid
wrote:
>Your right about Ball jars and root cellars but we are getting pushed
>that way. Trouble is there is little time for canning. Little time for
>protest. Coincidence?
Posted by raycruzer on June 12, 2007, 12:43 pm
> > On Jun 10, 12:27?am, Usenet2...@THE-DOMAIN-IN.SIG <Usenet2...@THE-
> > DOMAIN-IN.SIG> wrote:
> > > dr-s...@wi.rr.com says...
> > > > every year I teach my college students about the threat of GMOs, of
> > > > monoculture and monogenetics. I hit on the inbuilt pitfalls of the
> > > > "green revolution", I use the Harvest of Fear tape by Frontline to
> > > > teach them about GMOs. And then I give them the background on why
> > > > "better and more starch" does not make for healthy humans.
> > > > they used that "poor washing" to push GMO yams or sweet potatoes or
> > > > something like that onto African farmers. yeah, right, what Africans
> > > > need is a cheap source of high quality protein, not starches. Protein
> > > > builds brains and keeps the immune system humming. So they want to
> > > > institute a GMO yam and now the whole crop of entire parts of Africa
> > > > will all be susceptible to the next mutation and the whole crop will
> > > > crash and people starve. The Irish potato famine all over.
> > > Well, the other version of the Irish potato famine was the
> > > starvation was really due to excesses taxation and rents. Which
> > > were paid with food.
> > > I think the point of that is that, when the blight disease
> > > reduced yields, the people could have been saved if they had had
> > > a commensurate reduction in the tax/rent debts for those years.
> > > I wasn't around then, and haven't researched enough to form a
> > > firm view on the actual influences, either way.
> > > --
> > > Get Credit Where Credit Is Duehttp://www.cardreport.com/
> > > Credit Tools, Reference, and Forum
> > This is a garden forum. Keep the nut stuff on nut sites. In Africa,
> > yes protein is great but going to bed with NO FOOD makes the starch
> > look a lot better. Regards - Jim
> Uh, let me say it slow so you will understand jimnginger.
> There is a reason that we garden and that is to have healthy food. To
> that end we sometimes ramble about the ways Monsanto, Archer Daniels
> Midland, and ConAgra try to shove their big profit margin crops down our
> collective throats (4 cents of corn in a $4 box of corn flakes). If
> Franken Foods Inc. can get main stream people in one continent to accept
> their products their prospects of selling it to rich, stoopid Americans
> are vastly improved. So sometimes we chat about how other countries are
> getting screwed by the aforementioned and how much sand is being put
> into the vaseline.
> Our gardens are our first line of defense against these blood suckers.
> When we forget what a real tomato, or cucumber, or parsnip, or corn
> tastes like, we are doomed.
> Sorry the nuts here are such a bother but you'll get used to them. Wait
> and see.
> - Billy
> Coloribus gustibus non disputatum (mostly)- Hide quoted text -
> - Show quoted text -
Another line of defense against the corporate food mongers is the
increasing consumer interest in organic foods and local farm
products. We buy organic products because we really don't trust
corporate claims for healthy food standards, including GMO quality.
The new farm bill also includes additional support for organic
agriculture, which the government has failed to subsidize in the past.
If consumers are willing to pay a premium for organic quality
standards, I wonder if there may also be a willingness to pay a
premium for food that is grown under conditions that assure the local
farmers and workers are paid adequately for their produce? Can the
farmers and workers actually feed their own families with their
earnings on the farm?
Posted by Billy Rose on June 12, 2007, 7:01 pm
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > On Jun 10, 12:27?am, Usenet2...@THE-DOMAIN-IN.SIG <Usenet2...@THE-
> > > DOMAIN-IN.SIG> wrote:
> > > > dr-s...@wi.rr.com says...
> >
> > > > > every year I teach my college students about the threat of GMOs, of
> > > > > monoculture and monogenetics. I hit on the inbuilt pitfalls of the
> > > > > "green revolution", I use the Harvest of Fear tape by Frontline to
> > > > > teach them about GMOs. And then I give them the background on why
> > > > > "better and more starch" does not make for healthy humans.
> > > > > they used that "poor washing" to push GMO yams or sweet potatoes or
> > > > > something like that onto African farmers. yeah, right, what Africans
> > > > > need is a cheap source of high quality protein, not starches. Protein
> > > > > builds brains and keeps the immune system humming. So they want to
> > > > > institute a GMO yam and now the whole crop of entire parts of Africa
> > > > > will all be susceptible to the next mutation and the whole crop will
> > > > > crash and people starve. The Irish potato famine all over.
> >
> > > > Well, the other version of the Irish potato famine was the
> > > > starvation was really due to excesses taxation and rents. Which
> > > > were paid with food.
> >
> > > > I think the point of that is that, when the blight disease
> > > > reduced yields, the people could have been saved if they had had
> > > > a commensurate reduction in the tax/rent debts for those years.
> >
> > > > I wasn't around then, and haven't researched enough to form a
> > > > firm view on the actual influences, either way.
> >
> > > > --
> > > > Get Credit Where Credit Is Duehttp://www.cardreport.com/
> > > > Credit Tools, Reference, and Forum
> >
> > > This is a garden forum. Keep the nut stuff on nut sites. In Africa,
> > > yes protein is great but going to bed with NO FOOD makes the starch
> > > look a lot better. Regards - Jim
> >
> > Uh, let me say it slow so you will understand jimnginger.
> >
> > There is a reason that we garden and that is to have healthy food. To
> > that end we sometimes ramble about the ways Monsanto, Archer Daniels
> > Midland, and ConAgra try to shove their big profit margin crops down our
> > collective throats (4 cents of corn in a $4 box of corn flakes). If
> > Franken Foods Inc. can get main stream people in one continent to accept
> > their products their prospects of selling it to rich, stoopid Americans
> > are vastly improved. So sometimes we chat about how other countries are
> > getting screwed by the aforementioned and how much sand is being put
> > into the vaseline.
> >
> > Our gardens are our first line of defense against these blood suckers.
> > When we forget what a real tomato, or cucumber, or parsnip, or corn
> > tastes like, we are doomed.
> >
> > Sorry the nuts here are such a bother but you'll get used to them. Wait
> > and see.
> >
> > - Billy
> > Coloribus gustibus non disputatum (mostly)- Hide quoted text -
> >
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> Another line of defense against the corporate food mongers is the
> increasing consumer interest in organic foods and local farm
> products. We buy organic products because we really don't trust
> corporate claims for healthy food standards, including GMO quality.
>
> The new farm bill also includes additional support for organic
> agriculture, which the government has failed to subsidize in the past.
>
> If consumers are willing to pay a premium for organic quality
> standards, I wonder if there may also be a willingness to pay a
> premium for food that is grown under conditions that assure the local
> farmers and workers are paid adequately for their produce? Can the
> farmers and workers actually feed their own families with their
> earnings on the farm?
The money in agriculture right now concentrates in the hans of the
processors, which is why you pay $4 for a box of corn flakes that
contains 4 cents worth of corn. Right now it is Cargill, Archer Daniel
Midlands, and the other processors who are making all the money who are
making all the money.
The cost for food would go up with sustainable agriculture and the
overhead to the farmer would come down. In his book, Omnivore's Dilemma,
Michael Pollan notes that growing corn is base on petroleum products for
pesticides and fertilizer and that it takes a a little over a calorie of
energy to get a calorie of food, where as under the old system of crop
rotation, you got out 2 calories for every calorie invested. Food would
become seasonal again and the food and the land would be better for it.
No matter how we slice the pie, the next few generations of Americans
are going to be less rich that we were. If you ever live in Europe, you
will see that it isn't such a terrible thing. We are a very wasteful
society. If our leaders weren't all stricken with cranial rectal
inversion we would be starting an energy conservation drive immediately.
- Billy
Coloribus gustibus non disputatum (mostly)
Posted by MajorOz on June 10, 2007, 11:16 pm
On Jun 8, 10:49 am, dr-s...@wi.rr.com wrote:
> every year I teach my college students about the threat of GMOs, of
> monoculture and monogenetics. I hit on the inbuilt pitfalls of the
> "green revolution", I use the Harvest of Fear tape by Frontline to
> teach them about GMOs. And then I give them the background on why
> "better and more starch" does not make for healthy humans.
> they used that "poor washing" to push GMO yams or sweet potatoes or
> something like that onto African farmers. yeah, right, what Africans
> need is a cheap source of high quality protein, not starches. Protein
> builds brains and keeps the immune system humming. So they want to
> institute a GMO yam and now the whole crop of entire parts of Africa
> will all be susceptible to the next mutation and the whole crop will
> crash and people starve. The Irish potato famine all over.
> There is plenty of milk in the US, but Monsanto knew if they could
> push GMO milk down the throats of American kids, we would buy ANYTHING
> GMO. and they were right.
> There is plenty of food in the world. people starve because there are
> wars, transportation problems and greed.
> Ingrid
Interesting
What is the listing of the class(es) you teach?
cheers
oz, who taught undergrad and grad classes in ecology in the 70's and
80's
Posted by dr-solo on June 11, 2007, 11:54 am
spring semester http://weloveteaching.com/spring/syllabus.html
fall semester http://weloveteaching.com/fall2006/syllfall2006.htm
It is an interdisciplinary science course for non science majors.
I pick various topics each semester. these topics change, altho some
I have them do on a rather consistent basis including monoculture and
GMO (altho my minor is genetics mostly molecular and I think
recombinant DNA rocks when used for the right purpose)
Ingrid
wrote:
>Interesting>
>What is the listing of the class(es) you teach?>
>oz, who taught undergrad and grad classes in ecology in the 70's and
>80's
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>that way. Trouble is there is little time for canning. Little time for
>protest. Coincidence?