Posted by FarmI on August 23, 2010, 3:13 am
> wrote:
>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I usually use annual rye, often called winter rye here, as a cover
>>>>> crop. If I get it in early enough - late September say, I will usually
>>>>> have a lovely mini field of rye over the winter.
>>>>
>>>>When you say 'cover crop' do you mean that you use it as a green manure?
>>>>It's good for green manure.
>>>
>>> Yes, that's what i mean. And it's pretty, too!
>>
>>Indeed it is pretty. But then even some weeds are pretty. Scotch thistle
>>is gorgeous, but not a good thing to have in one's pastures.
>>
>>We live in the country and we have a friend who was born in Scotland. She
>>was having a birthday party and I sent my husband off to a neglected
>>corner
>>wearing the welding gloves to collect some flowers from a particulalry
>>good
>>looking Scotch thistle. We arrived at our friend's birthday party and
>>presented her with the thistles shoved into an old jar and everyone fell
>>about laughing at our joke. She put the jar and thistles on the mantle
>>piece and we all got on with the party.
>>
>>There were some late arrivals who had had to travel for many hours from
>>Sydney to get to the party. They thought the 'flowers' were lovely and
>>asked where they could buy some because they'd love to take a bunch home
>>with them. All we country folk just about had a stroke on the spot.
>>
> welding gloves are about the only way I'd try to harvest thistle -
> canadian thistle is what we have a lot of here - but the smell of the
> flower is wonderful! I usually leave one or 2 alone so I can enjoy
> them - away from the road so the neighbors won't get upset.
> Another 'weed' I enjoy is golden rod. They should start blooming soon.
> I have a stand of them, currently beaten down from last nights storms.
Ah yes, quite lovely. It's not so weedy here for some reason (perhaps too
dry, but who knows). I had a stand of it in my last place and it always
stayed as a small patch.
Posted by Chris on August 23, 2010, 8:44 pm
> > wrote:
> >>> wrote:
> >>>>> I usually use annual rye, often called winter rye here, as a cover
> >>>>> crop. If I get it in early enough - late September say, I will usually
> >>>>> have a lovely mini field of rye over the winter.
> >>>>When you say 'cover crop' do you mean that you use it as a green manure?
> >>>>It's good for green manure.
> >>> Yes, that's what i mean. And it's pretty, too!
> >>Indeed it is pretty. But then even some weeds are pretty. Scotch thistle
> >>is gorgeous, but not a good thing to have in one's pastures.
> >>We live in the country and we have a friend who was born in Scotland. She
> >>was having a birthday party and I sent my husband off to a neglected
> >>corner
> >>wearing the welding gloves to collect some flowers from a particulalry
> >>good
> >>looking Scotch thistle. We arrived at our friend's birthday party and
> >>presented her with the thistles shoved into an old jar and everyone fell
> >>about laughing at our joke. She put the jar and thistles on the mantle
> >>piece and we all got on with the party.
> >>There were some late arrivals who had had to travel for many hours from
> >>Sydney to get to the party. They thought the 'flowers' were lovely and
> >>asked where they could buy some because they'd love to take a bunch home
> >>with them. All we country folk just about had a stroke on the spot.
> > welding gloves are about the only way I'd try to harvest thistle -
> > canadian thistle is what we have a lot of here - but the smell of the
> > flower is wonderful! I usually leave one or 2 alone so I can enjoy
> > them - away from the road so the neighbors won't get upset.
> > Another 'weed' I enjoy is golden rod. They should start blooming soon.
> > I have a stand of them, currently beaten down from last nights storms.
> Ah yes, quite lovely. It's not so weedy here for some reason (perhaps too
> dry, but who knows). I had a stand of it in my last place and it always
> stayed as a small patch.
Thistles will also attract some nice gold finches, if you are in the
right place of N. America.
Chris
Posted by FarmI on August 24, 2010, 12:46 am
> > wrote:
> >>> wrote:
> >>>>> I usually use annual rye, often called winter rye here, as a cover
> >>>>> crop. If I get it in early enough - late September say, I will
> >>>>> usually
> >>>>> have a lovely mini field of rye over the winter.
> >>>>When you say 'cover crop' do you mean that you use it as a green
> >>>>manure?
> >>>>It's good for green manure.
> >>> Yes, that's what i mean. And it's pretty, too!
> >>Indeed it is pretty. But then even some weeds are pretty. Scotch thistle
> >>is gorgeous, but not a good thing to have in one's pastures.
> >>We live in the country and we have a friend who was born in Scotland.
> >>She
> >>was having a birthday party and I sent my husband off to a neglected
> >>corner
> >>wearing the welding gloves to collect some flowers from a particulalry
> >>good
> >>looking Scotch thistle. We arrived at our friend's birthday party and
> >>presented her with the thistles shoved into an old jar and everyone fell
> >>about laughing at our joke. She put the jar and thistles on the mantle
> >>piece and we all got on with the party.
> >>There were some late arrivals who had had to travel for many hours from
> >>Sydney to get to the party. They thought the 'flowers' were lovely and
> >>asked where they could buy some because they'd love to take a bunch home
> >>with them. All we country folk just about had a stroke on the spot.
> > welding gloves are about the only way I'd try to harvest thistle -
> > canadian thistle is what we have a lot of here - but the smell of the
> > flower is wonderful! I usually leave one or 2 alone so I can enjoy
> > them - away from the road so the neighbors won't get upset.
> > Another 'weed' I enjoy is golden rod. They should start blooming soon.
> > I have a stand of them, currently beaten down from last nights storms.
> Ah yes, quite lovely. It's not so weedy here for some reason (perhaps too
> dry, but who knows). I had a stand of it in my last place and it always
> stayed as a small patch.
Thistles will also attract some nice gold finches, if you are in the
right place of N. America.
______________________________
I'm on the other side of the world and in another hemisphere from N.
America. But we do get some lots of birds here - 60 different species in a
6 month period (or so I'm told by the resident former member of Gould League
of Birdlovers).
Posted by Frank on August 20, 2010, 11:12 am
> I have a vacation cabin in the mountains of NC, at 4200 feet elevation.
> In early June, I planted annual ryegrass, in a partly shaded area. It came
> up in about 15-20 days, and was *real* thick and green.
> We then left the mountain and returned in early August. The ryegrass was
> all gone !!
> Why didn't the grass last all summer? Did it have enough sunlight to
> germinate, but then die back because of too much shade ?
> There was a drought of several weeks in early July, but that was after the
> seed had germinated, and looked good.
> What is the most likely reason the ryegrass was strong and thick in early
> June, but totally gone by early August ?
> Thanks !!
> James
Deer will eat grass but it would not be a favorite food and in the
summer, the whole world is one big salad bar to them. I, too, doubt
that critters are your problem.
Posted by brooklyn1 on August 20, 2010, 1:00 pm
On Fri, 20 Aug 2010 08:12:32 -0700 (PDT), Frank
>> I have a vacation cabin in the mountains of NC, at 4200 feet elevation.
>>
>> In early June, I planted annual ryegrass, in a partly shaded area. It came
>> up in about 15-20 days, and was *real* thick and green.
>>
>> We then left the mountain and returned in early August. The ryegrass was
>> all gone !!
>>
>> Why didn't the grass last all summer? Did it have enough sunlight to
>> germinate, but then die back because of too much shade ?
>>
>> There was a drought of several weeks in early July, but that was after the
>> seed had germinated, and looked good.
>>
>> What is the most likely reason the ryegrass was strong and thick in early
>> June, but totally gone by early August ?
>>
>> Thanks !!
>>
>> James
>Deer will eat grass but it would not be a favorite food and in the
>summer, the whole world is one big salad bar to them. I, too, doubt
>that critters are your problem.
If not grass what do you think is the main diet of deer during summer,
and rye grass is one of their favorites... rabbits love it too, so do
woodchucks, and of course Canada geese. Dairy farmers plant rye grass
as a forage crop. Foraging critters will eat most anything green but
rye grass is a favorite. In early August in South Carolina it
wouldn't have gotten cold enough to kill off annual rye. And I know
from living most of my life on Long Island that rye grass handles
drought very well. Unless yoose can prove with eyeball documentation
that the rye grass disappeared otherwise I'm sticking to critters. The
deer near the cabin likely wouldn't have eaten the grass while someone
was living there but be certain they were just waiting for an
opportunity... and then yoose left... that grass patch probably lasted
maybe three days.
>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I usually use annual rye, often called winter rye here, as a cover
>>>>> crop. If I get it in early enough - late September say, I will usually
>>>>> have a lovely mini field of rye over the winter.
>>>>
>>>>When you say 'cover crop' do you mean that you use it as a green manure?
>>>>It's good for green manure.
>>>
>>> Yes, that's what i mean. And it's pretty, too!
>>
>>Indeed it is pretty. But then even some weeds are pretty. Scotch thistle
>>is gorgeous, but not a good thing to have in one's pastures.
>>
>>We live in the country and we have a friend who was born in Scotland. She
>>was having a birthday party and I sent my husband off to a neglected
>>corner
>>wearing the welding gloves to collect some flowers from a particulalry
>>good
>>looking Scotch thistle. We arrived at our friend's birthday party and
>>presented her with the thistles shoved into an old jar and everyone fell
>>about laughing at our joke. She put the jar and thistles on the mantle
>>piece and we all got on with the party.
>>
>>There were some late arrivals who had had to travel for many hours from
>>Sydney to get to the party. They thought the 'flowers' were lovely and
>>asked where they could buy some because they'd love to take a bunch home
>>with them. All we country folk just about had a stroke on the spot.
>>
> welding gloves are about the only way I'd try to harvest thistle -
> canadian thistle is what we have a lot of here - but the smell of the
> flower is wonderful! I usually leave one or 2 alone so I can enjoy
> them - away from the road so the neighbors won't get upset.
> Another 'weed' I enjoy is golden rod. They should start blooming soon.
> I have a stand of them, currently beaten down from last nights storms.