Posted by sueg600 on July 23, 2006, 10:51 pm
I dug out a vegetable plot, about eight inches deep and 8' by 10'. I
plan to put 3" deep garden soil over it and I want to grow some
vegetables. But it is in Zone 5. The soil has too much clay and has
horrible drainage. 24 hours after rain, the water seems to have stayed
same without going down an inch.
I need to know what kinds of vegetable seeds can stand lots of water
and bad drainage. I've already bought radish, cucumber, green bean,
dill, and onion seeds.
Please share your expert comments or suggestions. Thank you in advance
for your advice and your time.
Posted by cloud dreamer on July 23, 2006, 11:14 pm
sueg600@yahoo.com wrote:
> I dug out a vegetable plot, about eight inches deep and 8' by 10'. I
> plan to put 3" deep garden soil over it and I want to grow some
> vegetables. But it is in Zone 5. The soil has too much clay and has
> horrible drainage. 24 hours after rain, the water seems to have stayed
> same without going down an inch.
>
> I need to know what kinds of vegetable seeds can stand lots of water
> and bad drainage. I've already bought radish, cucumber, green bean,
> dill, and onion seeds.
>
> Please share your expert comments or suggestions. Thank you in advance
> for your advice and your time.
>
I am in 5a and use raised beds (most are 4'x8') made from 2"x8"s. I
break up the sod and soil underneath with a tiller then fill the bed
with bagged soil, a half bag (minimum) of peat as well as the necessary
additions of compost, composted manure, bone meal etc. By adding the
bagged soil with the peat, you're creating an ideal medium for your
vegetables. It's best to have at least 8" of soil on top of the clay.
The height will also enable you to create mounds to ensure proper
drainage. At this late date, I imagine you'll only get radishes going.
You might get something out of the rest if the summer lasts into October.
..
Zone 5a in Canada's Far East
Posted by David Hare-Scott on July 24, 2006, 2:31 am
> I dug out a vegetable plot, about eight inches deep and 8' by 10'. I
> plan to put 3" deep garden soil over it and I want to grow some
> vegetables. But it is in Zone 5. The soil has too much clay and has
> horrible drainage. 24 hours after rain, the water seems to have stayed
> same without going down an inch.
> I need to know what kinds of vegetable seeds can stand lots of water
> and bad drainage. I've already bought radish, cucumber, green bean,
> dill, and onion seeds.
> Please share your expert comments or suggestions. Thank you in advance
> for your advice and your time.
I have heavy clay silt here on top of plastic clay, this is my treatment:
0) locate vege garden on a slight slope
1) build raised beds
2) add gypsum to break up the clay
3) add much organic matter (manure, compost etc), repeat at least annually,
more often if cropping heavily
4) check pH and add lime if required (clay is often acidic), repeat annually
5) Never, ever, walk on your beds
The result is exceedingly fertile, I can grow almost anything well. The
problems that I have had are not related to drainage.
David
Posted by simy1 on July 24, 2006, 9:47 am
sueg600@yahoo.com wrote:
> I dug out a vegetable plot, about eight inches deep and 8' by 10'. I
> plan to put 3" deep garden soil over it and I want to grow some
> vegetables. But it is in Zone 5. The soil has too much clay and has
> horrible drainage. 24 hours after rain, the water seems to have stayed
> same without going down an inch.
> I need to know what kinds of vegetable seeds can stand lots of water
> and bad drainage. I've already bought radish, cucumber, green bean,
> dill, and onion seeds.
> Please share your expert comments or suggestions. Thank you in advance
> for your advice and your time.
Obviously it would be best to go raised beds, as others have said. I
would even use patience and fill the beds with manure or compost, even
though some vegetables will not like it initially. The manure or
compost will start a large earthworm population which will do much
turning for you.
The second thing you can do is to leave roots of plants that are not
disease prone in the ground after the plant has died. The larger and
the deeper the root, the more drainage it will create when decaying.
Two vegetables that fit the bill of tolerating heavy clay, being
disease free, and having a large taproot are radicchio or any other
chicory and cardoon.
Posted by sueg600 on July 24, 2006, 11:00 am
Thanks to all who replied to my previous message. I have just one more
thing I need to know. How high should the raised bed be?
> plan to put 3" deep garden soil over it and I want to grow some
> vegetables. But it is in Zone 5. The soil has too much clay and has
> horrible drainage. 24 hours after rain, the water seems to have stayed
> same without going down an inch.
>
> I need to know what kinds of vegetable seeds can stand lots of water
> and bad drainage. I've already bought radish, cucumber, green bean,
> dill, and onion seeds.
>
> Please share your expert comments or suggestions. Thank you in advance
> for your advice and your time.
>