Posted by rossr35253 on September 16, 2007, 11:08 am
On Sun, 16 Sep 2007 09:17:33 -0400, "Steve Young"
<bowtieATbrightdslDOTnet> wrote:
>> I'm not sure if this is the right group but I expect that some here
>> can give advice.
>Yes, probably so Eric, (1@1.com)
>though several other groups may be better suited:
>rec.gardens
>rec.gardens.edible
>uk.rec.gardening
>I've taken the liberty to include 'rec.gardens.edible' in this discussion.
>> Often when I eat non-organic vegetables raw I think I can taste the
>> pesticides. There is a stinging sensation in my mouth even though
>> I've washed them thoroughly.
>Just because they aren't certified organic, doesn't mean they contain
>pesticides, nor would it mean that manures weren't used on the soils. In
>fact, non-organic farming may not compost the manures at all and spread
>directly onto the fields. Even organically grown foods may contain
>pesticides. (ever taste chrysanthemum? ;)
>> I'm trying to turn to organic but so far that seems to taste like
>> manure smells or maybe the smell is just overwhelming.
>>
>> Are there any organically grown vegetables that don't have this flaw
>> or does anyone have any suggestions.
>Organic / non-organic delineation is not drawn by manures and pesticides.
>And as another has stated, manure for organic growing is composted
>and the resulting material is absent any of its odor. Perhaps something else
>is at play here?, like the stronger, more robust flavors from organic produce?
>Steve Young
It may be that many organically grown vegetables are also heirloom
varieties which, in many cases, are more flavourful than modern
hybrids.
That being said, if one took a package of certified organic seeds,
planted and raised half those seeds using organically accepted methods
and the other half using normal, non-organic methods, I don't believe
anyone could tell, by taste alone, which of the resulting produce was
organic and which was not.
Ross
Posted by David Hare-Scott on September 16, 2007, 11:17 pm
> It may be that many organically grown vegetables are also heirloom
> varieties which, in many cases, are more flavourful than modern
> hybrids.
> That being said, if one took a package of certified organic seeds,
> planted and raised half those seeds using organically accepted methods
> and the other half using normal, non-organic methods, I don't believe
> anyone could tell, by taste alone, which of the resulting produce was
> organic and which was not.
> Ross
Not having yet seen any good evidence to the contrary I think you are very
probably right.
David
Posted by George.com on September 17, 2007, 4:57 am
> On Sun, 16 Sep 2007 09:17:33 -0400, "Steve Young"
> <bowtieATbrightdslDOTnet> wrote:
> >
> >> I'm not sure if this is the right group but I expect that some here
> >> can give advice.
> >
> >Yes, probably so Eric, (1@1.com)
> >though several other groups may be better suited:
> >
> >rec.gardens
> >rec.gardens.edible
> >uk.rec.gardening
> >
> >I've taken the liberty to include 'rec.gardens.edible' in this
discussion.
> >
> >> Often when I eat non-organic vegetables raw I think I can taste the
> >> pesticides. There is a stinging sensation in my mouth even though
> >> I've washed them thoroughly.
> >
> >Just because they aren't certified organic, doesn't mean they contain
> >pesticides, nor would it mean that manures weren't used on the soils. In
> >fact, non-organic farming may not compost the manures at all and spread
> >directly onto the fields. Even organically grown foods may contain
> >pesticides. (ever taste chrysanthemum? ;)
> >
> >> I'm trying to turn to organic but so far that seems to taste like
> >> manure smells or maybe the smell is just overwhelming.
> >>
> >> Are there any organically grown vegetables that don't have this flaw
> >> or does anyone have any suggestions.
> >
> >Organic / non-organic delineation is not drawn by manures and pesticides.
> >And as another has stated, manure for organic growing is composted
> >and the resulting material is absent any of its odor. Perhaps something
else
> >is at play here?, like the stronger, more robust flavors from organic
produce?
> >
> >Steve Young
> It may be that many organically grown vegetables are also heirloom
> varieties which, in many cases, are more flavourful than modern
> hybrids.
> That being said, if one took a package of certified organic seeds,
> planted and raised half those seeds using organically accepted methods
> and the other half using normal, non-organic methods, I don't believe
> anyone could tell, by taste alone, which of the resulting produce was
> organic and which was not.
I suspect an amount of the taste argument actually comes down to eating
things fresh and seasonal rather than things artifically ripened or stored
for longish periods. For example, a ripe apple off the tree most often
tastes better to me than the same variety cool stored for weeks on end.
rob
Posted by doofy on September 18, 2007, 11:18 pm
rossr35253@forteinc.com wrote:
> On Sun, 16 Sep 2007 09:17:33 -0400, "Steve Young"
> <bowtieATbrightdslDOTnet> wrote:
>
>
>>
>>
>>>I'm not sure if this is the right group but I expect that some here
>>>can give advice.
>>
>>Yes, probably so Eric, (1@1.com)
>>though several other groups may be better suited:
>>
>>rec.gardens
>>rec.gardens.edible
>>uk.rec.gardening
>>
>>I've taken the liberty to include 'rec.gardens.edible' in this discussion.
>>
>>
>>>Often when I eat non-organic vegetables raw I think I can taste the
>>>pesticides. There is a stinging sensation in my mouth even though
>>>I've washed them thoroughly.
>>
>>Just because they aren't certified organic, doesn't mean they contain
>>pesticides, nor would it mean that manures weren't used on the soils. In
>>fact, non-organic farming may not compost the manures at all and spread
>>directly onto the fields. Even organically grown foods may contain
>>pesticides. (ever taste chrysanthemum? ;)
>>
>>
>>>I'm trying to turn to organic but so far that seems to taste like
>>>manure smells or maybe the smell is just overwhelming.
>>>
>>>Are there any organically grown vegetables that don't have this flaw
>>>or does anyone have any suggestions.
>>
>>Organic / non-organic delineation is not drawn by manures and pesticides.
>>And as another has stated, manure for organic growing is composted
>>and the resulting material is absent any of its odor. Perhaps something else
>>is at play here?, like the stronger, more robust flavors from organic produce?
>>
>>Steve Young
>
>
> It may be that many organically grown vegetables are also heirloom
> varieties which, in many cases, are more flavourful than modern
> hybrids.
> That being said, if one took a package of certified organic seeds,
> planted and raised half those seeds using organically accepted methods
> and the other half using normal, non-organic methods, I don't believe
> anyone could tell, by taste alone, which of the resulting produce was
> organic and which was not.
>
> Ross
I think carrots might be a different animal. If you have always eaten
non-organic, it might be hard to taste the absence of chemicals, but if
you're used to tasting clean food, that chemical taste will definitely
pop out. Does for me anyway.
Posted by David Hare-Scott on September 16, 2007, 9:22 pm
"Steve Young" <bowtieATbrightdslDOTnet> wrote in message news:WY-
> > Often when I eat non-organic vegetables raw I think I can taste the
> > pesticides. There is a stinging sensation in my mouth even though
> > I've washed them thoroughly.
A very odd perception.
> > I'm trying to turn to organic but so far that seems to taste like
> > manure smells or maybe the smell is just overwhelming.
> >
So is this one.
As another suggested do a blind taste test and see if you still have the
same experience. You would need to do quite a few samples (not just one of
each kind) for this to be reliable and of course all should be quality fresh
produce washed in water from the same source. Ideally it should be
double-blind, that is the person who administers the test and keeps the
records does not know which is which.
I am taking this at face value but feel a little suspicious that it might
not be a report of fact.
David
>> can give advice.
>Yes, probably so Eric, (1@1.com)
>though several other groups may be better suited:
>rec.gardens
>rec.gardens.edible
>uk.rec.gardening
>I've taken the liberty to include 'rec.gardens.edible' in this discussion.
>> Often when I eat non-organic vegetables raw I think I can taste the
>> pesticides. There is a stinging sensation in my mouth even though
>> I've washed them thoroughly.
>Just because they aren't certified organic, doesn't mean they contain
>pesticides, nor would it mean that manures weren't used on the soils. In
>fact, non-organic farming may not compost the manures at all and spread
>directly onto the fields. Even organically grown foods may contain
>pesticides. (ever taste chrysanthemum? ;)
>> I'm trying to turn to organic but so far that seems to taste like
>> manure smells or maybe the smell is just overwhelming.
>>
>> Are there any organically grown vegetables that don't have this flaw
>> or does anyone have any suggestions.
>Organic / non-organic delineation is not drawn by manures and pesticides.
>And as another has stated, manure for organic growing is composted
>and the resulting material is absent any of its odor. Perhaps something else
>is at play here?, like the stronger, more robust flavors from organic produce?
>Steve Young