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No, there needs to be strict enforcement of "organic standards. You
can't keep cows in a pen and feed them "organic" hay, and call the milk
"organic" when the advertising shows cows in green pastures. People like
Whole Foods (Texas based) try to cash in on organic, but really are only
running the old factory farm distribution system.

Organic not only builds top soil, but needs to support humane treatment
of animals. Locally, a reporter visited such a farm and was stunned at
the kind treatment of the animals. They were treated as pets. Isn't that
the way you would want your dinner to be treated?
--
- Billy
Obama is now backing a bipartisan Senate budget plan that would cut Social
Security and Medicare, while cutting taxes on the wealthy. In addition to
entitlement cuts, the so-called "Gang of Six" plan would eliminate a number of
popular tax breaks and deductions, including write-offs for home mortgage
interest and employer-provided health benefits. The savings would help offset
the cost of then lowering the top individual and corporate tax rates from 35
percent to at least 29 percent.

America is not broke.
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/michael-moore-says-400-americans-have-more-wealth-/>


You put Lloyd Blankfein in pound-me-in-the-ass prison for one six-month term,
and all this bullshit would stop, all over Wall Street. That's all it would
take. Just once.
Vote 3rd Party

 
Who is "he" ?

 
I don't know, If I treated you like a pet would that make it ok to eat
you? :)

I believe the organic movement came about to increase the safety of
food produce and animal well being due to the early use of nasty
chemicals like DDT and industrial farming practices, initially the
attitude was if it's natural it must be ok, which is quite naive and a
knee jerk reaction, but better then nothing I guess. If a synthetic
pesticide becomes chemically inert after 24 hours, interferes less
with the environment then copper or sulfur, then what is wrong with
using that?

The goals should be more results oriented  (maximize safety and
minimized harm) then process oriented, and this type of farming
requires a different name as strict organic farming doesn't isn't
results oriented.

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 One small idea often over looked is harmony.  Left alone what does the
environment  do.  Just clumsily  stumble by or is there  intelligences
in place?  Our oaks are attacked by gypsy moths and next year the tannin
or taste changes to deter.
 Since the two legs are obviously real smart it is OK to drink from
local streams and  value foods by appearance especially when packaged
prettily.

--
Bill  S. Jersey USA zone 5 shade garden

http://honest-food.net/

 
Anecdotal feel goods do not make good science.

C. Sagan:

 Common fallacies of logic and rhetoric
o    Ad hominem - attacking the arguer and not the argument.
o    Argument from "authority".
o    Argument from adverse consequences (putting pressure on the decision
maker by pointing out dire consequences of an "unfavourable"
decision).
o    Appeal to ignorance (absence of evidence is not evidence of
absence).
o    Special pleading (typically referring to god's will).
o    Begging the question (assuming an answer in the way the question is
phrased).
o    Observational selection (counting the hits and forgetting the
misses).
o    Statistics of small numbers (such as drawing conclusions from
inadequate sample sizes).
o    Misunderstanding the nature of statistics (President Eisenhower
expressing astonishment and alarm on discovering that fully half of
all Americans have below average intelligence!)
o    Inconsistency (e.g. military expenditures based on worst case
scenarios but scientific projections on environmental dangers
thriftily ignored because they are not "proved").
o    Non sequitur - "it does not follow" - the logic falls down.
o    Post hoc, ergo propter hoc - "it happened after so it was caused by"
- confusion of cause and effect.
o    Meaningless question ("what happens when an irresistible force meets
an immovable object?).
o    Excluded middle - considering only the two extremes in a range of
possibilities (making the "other side" look worse than it really is).
o    Short-term v. long-term - a subset of excluded middle ("why pursue
fundamental science when we have so huge a budget deficit?").
o    Slippery slope - a subset of excluded middle - unwarranted
extrapolation of the effects (give an inch and they will take a mile).
o    Confusion of correlation and causation.
o    Straw man - caricaturing (or stereotyping) a position to make it
easier to attack..
o    Suppressed evidence or half-truths.
o    Weasel words - for example, use of euphemisms for war such as
"police action" to get around limitations on Presidential powers. "An
important art of politicians is to find new names for institutions
which under old names have become odious to the public"