I've asked a similar question back a ways but I thought I'd ask again
with a twist.
The coming year we're looking at starting vegetable gardening, however
the soil is all dense-pack clay. We're looking at raised beds - by which
I mean building boxes and raising them about three feet off the ground
because neither of us can bend over for regular weeding easily.
My back-of-the-envelope calculations show a 1m x 2.5m x .5m box, when
full of wet soil, weighs in at just over 1400kg!
Has anyone here raised growing beds this high? What sizes of beds would
you recommend?
Thanks!
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Posted by Marcella Peek on December 15, 2010, 10:46 am
There were some built on the Martha Stewart show. They were shallow for
things like lettuce and such which is how they kept the weight down.
Here's the article:
http://www.marthastewart.com/article/salad-table
I have a friend in a wheelchair. He had raised beds built on his patio
so his chair would easily roll around the concrete between beds. These
beds were about counter top height. However they were soil from ground
up - just really tall raised beds. Again, you don't have the weight
problem because there aren't legs holding anything this way...just lots
of soil to fill something this big. His beds weren't huge - 4 feet
square? He had to be able to reach the center from his chair.
marcella
> I've asked a similar question back a ways but I thought I'd ask again > with a twist. > > The coming year we're looking at starting vegetable gardening, however > the soil is all dense-pack clay. We're looking at raised beds - by which > I mean building boxes and raising them about three feet off the ground > because neither of us can bend over for regular weeding easily. > > My back-of-the-envelope calculations show a 1m x 2.5m x .5m box, when > full of wet soil, weighs in at just over 1400kg! > > Has anyone here raised growing beds this high? What sizes of beds would > you recommend? > > Thanks!
Posted by Billy on December 15, 2010, 12:13 pm
> I've asked a similar question back a ways but I thought I'd ask again > with a twist. > > The coming year we're looking at starting vegetable gardening, however > the soil is all dense-pack clay. We're looking at raised beds - by which > I mean building boxes and raising them about three feet off the ground > because neither of us can bend over for regular weeding easily. > > My back-of-the-envelope calculations show a 1m x 2.5m x .5m box, when > full of wet soil, weighs in at just over 1400kg! > > Has anyone here raised growing beds this high? What sizes of beds would > you recommend? > > Thanks!
My raised bed is 16' X 4' X 24". There is a 4" X 4" redwood post at each
corner, and mid way on the long sides. Attached to the posts are 2" X
12" redwood planks. Never had any trouble from it. Occasionally I've had
to replace a post and a couple of planks (once each), which isn't bad
for 25 yr. of service.
You may want to investigate keyhole gardens. They take less space for
paths and leave more space for gardens. They are particularly good for
difficult to reach corners of the yard. Whether inside the garden or
out, the useable portion of the garden shouldn't be more than .6m from
the path. Using this reasoning, a raised rectangle with access from the
perimeter, should be no more than 1.2m across. The length depends on how
much garden you need.
If your garden is a meter tall, only the top .5m need be garden soil
(30% - 40% sand, 30% - 40% silt, 20% - 30% sand, and 5% - 10% organic
material)
http://www.raw-food-health.net/RaisedVegetableGarden.html
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merger of state and corporate power." - Benito Mussolini.
Posted by David Hare-Scott on December 15, 2010, 4:28 pm
Billy wrote:
>> I've asked a similar question back a ways but I thought I'd ask again >> with a twist. >> >> The coming year we're looking at starting vegetable gardening, >> however the soil is all dense-pack clay. We're looking at raised >> beds - by which I mean building boxes and raising them about three >> feet off the ground because neither of us can bend over for regular >> weeding easily. >> >> My back-of-the-envelope calculations show a 1m x 2.5m x .5m box, when >> full of wet soil, weighs in at just over 1400kg! >> >> Has anyone here raised growing beds this high? What sizes of beds >> would you recommend? >> >> Thanks! > My raised bed is 16' X 4' X 24". There is a 4" X 4" redwood post at > each corner, and mid way on the long sides. Attached to the posts are > 2" X 12" redwood planks. Never had any trouble from it. Occasionally > I've had to replace a post and a couple of planks (once each), which > isn't bad for 25 yr. of service.
Here that much redwood would cost a bomb, especially 12" planks. I would
use the right class of eucalyptus. Clearly price and availability will vary
with your location. Ask your timber merchant for a grade that is rated
durable for continuous contact with soil. Or consider concrete blocks etc
instead of timber.
> You may want to investigate keyhole gardens. They take less space for > paths and leave more space for gardens. They are particularly good for > difficult to reach corners of the yard. Whether inside the garden or > out, the useable portion of the garden shouldn't be more than .6m from > the path. Using this reasoning, a raised rectangle with access from > the perimeter, should be no more than 1.2m across. The length depends > on how much garden you need.
You may want them narrower than that if you are short of stature and/or not
very flexible.
> If your garden is a meter tall, only the top .5m need be garden soil > (30% - 40% sand, 30% - 40% silt, 20% - 30% sand, and 5% - 10% organic > material) > http://www.raw-food-health.net/RaisedVegetableGarden.html
David
Posted by Billy on December 15, 2010, 6:48 pm
> Billy wrote: > > > >> I've asked a similar question back a ways but I thought I'd ask again > >> with a twist. > >> > >> The coming year we're looking at starting vegetable gardening, > >> however the soil is all dense-pack clay. We're looking at raised > >> beds - by which I mean building boxes and raising them about three > >> feet off the ground because neither of us can bend over for regular > >> weeding easily. > >> > >> My back-of-the-envelope calculations show a 1m x 2.5m x .5m box, when > >> full of wet soil, weighs in at just over 1400kg! > >> > >> Has anyone here raised growing beds this high? What sizes of beds > >> would you recommend? > >> > >> Thanks! > > My raised bed is 16' X 4' X 24". There is a 4" X 4" redwood post at > > each corner, and mid way on the long sides. Attached to the posts are > > 2" X 12" redwood planks. Never had any trouble from it. Occasionally > > I've had to replace a post and a couple of planks (once each), which > > isn't bad for 25 yr. of service. > > Here that much redwood would cost a bomb, especially 12" planks. I would > use the right class of eucalyptus. Clearly price and availability will vary > with your location. Ask your timber merchant for a grade that is rated > durable for continuous contact with soil. Or consider concrete blocks etc > instead of timber.
As luck would have it, I'm surrounded by redwoods. The lumber isn't
nearly as good as the old heart wood but it still last a fairly long
time. Forever, compared to pine which rots away in a couple of years if
exposed to the ground. I'm not sure what the 2 x 12s go for these days.
Couple years back I bought some 4 x 4s for a project, and they were
about a dollar per foot.
> > > > > You may want to investigate keyhole gardens. They take less space for > > paths and leave more space for gardens. They are particularly good for > > difficult to reach corners of the yard. Whether inside the garden or > > out, the useable portion of the garden shouldn't be more than .6m from > > the path. Using this reasoning, a raised rectangle with access from > > the perimeter, should be no more than 1.2m across. The length depends > > on how much garden you need. > > > > You may want them narrower than that if you are short of stature and/or not > very flexible.
That's why I have colleagues to fill in what I over look ;O)
> > > If your garden is a meter tall, only the top .5m need be garden soil > > (30% - 40% sand, 30% - 40% silt, 20% - 30% sand, and 5% - 10% organic > > material) > > http://www.raw-food-health.net/RaisedVegetableGarden.html > > David
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- Billy
"Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the
merger of state and corporate power." - Benito Mussolini.
> with a twist.
>
> The coming year we're looking at starting vegetable gardening, however
> the soil is all dense-pack clay. We're looking at raised beds - by which
> I mean building boxes and raising them about three feet off the ground
> because neither of us can bend over for regular weeding easily.
>
> My back-of-the-envelope calculations show a 1m x 2.5m x .5m box, when
> full of wet soil, weighs in at just over 1400kg!
>
> Has anyone here raised growing beds this high? What sizes of beds would
> you recommend?
>
> Thanks!