We use ammonia solution to kill slugs on plants but have been avoiding
vegatables because we don't know if it is safe on edible plants.
Is it?
Posted by Billy on April 5, 2011, 1:50 pm
> We use ammonia solution to kill slugs on plants but have been avoiding > vegatables because we don't know if it is safe on edible plants. > > Is it?
Why don't you just use "Draino"? Both will give you hydroxide which is
easy enough to wash off, if your plant should happen to survive.
A better choice would be a snail and slug bait whose active ingredient is
iron phosphate (technically that should be ferric phosphate). It is sold
as Sluggo, and Home Despot has a in house brand that is a little cheaper.
Iron phosphate will kill snails and slugs, but is safe for humans and
pets (unless your pet is a snail or slug ;O)
--
- Billy
Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired signifies in
the final sense, a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, those who are
cold and are not clothed. This world in arms is not spending money alone. It is
spending the sweat of its laborers, the genius of its scientists, the hopes of
its children. This is not a way of life at all in any true sense. Under the
clouds of war, it is humanity hanging on a cross of iron.
- Dwight D. Eisenhower, 16 April 1953
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Posted by David Hare-Scott on April 5, 2011, 6:42 pm
Billy wrote:
>> We use ammonia solution to kill slugs on plants but have been >> avoiding vegatables because we don't know if it is safe on edible >> plants. >> >> Is it? > Why don't you just use "Draino"? Both will give you hydroxide which is > easy enough to wash off, if your plant should happen to survive.
I think you will find that Draino contains sodium hydroxide which is a very
strong alkali that will harm you, your plants and your soil, as will the
sodium ions in it. Ammonia solution is much less toxic and less permanent
as the ammonia gas will fairly soon disperse leaving water. Ammonia gas is
actually used as a fertiliser applied directly to the soil. I am not
recommending it for that in this case but saying that to point out it is
relatively harmless.
> A better choice would be a snail and slug bait whose active > ingredient is iron phosphate (technically that should be ferric > phosphate). It is sold as Sluggo, and Home Despot has a in house > brand that is a little cheaper. Iron phosphate will kill snails and > slugs, but is safe for humans and pets (unless your pet is a snail or > slug ;O)
Agreed.
David
Posted by Billy on April 5, 2011, 8:12 pm
> Billy wrote: > > > >> We use ammonia solution to kill slugs on plants but have been > >> avoiding vegatables because we don't know if it is safe on edible > >> plants. > >> > >> Is it? > > > > Why don't you just use "Draino"? Both will give you hydroxide which is > > easy enough to wash off, if your plant should happen to survive. > > > > I think you will find that Draino contains sodium hydroxide which is a very > strong alkali that will harm you, your plants and your soil, as will the > sodium ions in it. Ammonia solution is much less toxic and less permanent > as the ammonia gas will fairly soon disperse leaving water.
NH3 + H2O <---> NH4(+) + OH(-)[also called the hydroxide ion]
as in sodium hydroxide (NaOH) + H2O ---> Na(+) + OH(-) + H2O
Strength is only a matter of concentration.
> Ammonia gas is > actually used as a fertiliser applied directly to the soil. I am not > recommending it for that in this case but saying that to point out it is > relatively harmless.
Most ammonia gas escapes into the atmosphere, otherwise it easily runs
off in aqueous solution. Very little os mineralized into the soil for
use by the plants, which here is mostly GMO dent corn plants.
> > > A better choice would be a snail and slug bait whose active > > ingredient is iron phosphate (technically that should be ferric > > phosphate). It is sold as Sluggo, and Home Despot has a in house > > brand that is a little cheaper. Iron phosphate will kill snails and > > slugs, but is safe for humans and pets (unless your pet is a snail or > > slug ;O) > > Agreed. > > David
Got that chook confined yet?
"The best fertilizer is the gardener's shadow." - Anon
2nd best may be a politician. Most seem to come full of manure.
--
- Billy
Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired signifies in
the final sense, a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, those who are
cold and are not clothed. This world in arms is not spending money alone. It is
spending the sweat of its laborers, the genius of its scientists, the hopes of
its children. This is not a way of life at all in any true sense. Under the
clouds of war, it is humanity hanging on a cross of iron.
- Dwight D. Eisenhower, 16 April 1953
<http://wn.com/black_panther_party>
Posted by David Hare-Scott on April 5, 2011, 10:55 pm
Billy wrote:
>> Billy wrote: >>> >>>> We use ammonia solution to kill slugs on plants but have been >>>> avoiding vegatables because we don't know if it is safe on edible >>>> plants. >>>> >>>> Is it? >>> >>> Why don't you just use "Draino"? Both will give you hydroxide which >>> is easy enough to wash off, if your plant should happen to survive. >>> >> >> I think you will find that Draino contains sodium hydroxide which is >> a very strong alkali that will harm you, your plants and your soil, >> as will the sodium ions in it. Ammonia solution is much less toxic >> and less permanent as the ammonia gas will fairly soon disperse >> leaving water. > NH3 + H2O <---> NH4(+) + OH(-)[also called the hydroxide ion] > as in sodium hydroxide (NaOH) + H2O ---> Na(+) + OH(-) + H2O > Strength is only a matter of concentration.
Not entirely, it also depends on the degree of dissociation of the ions,
this is the technical difference between strong bases and weak bases, not
the concentration of solute. Sodium hydroxide is a strong base and
ammonium hydroxide is a weak one. But why are we going on about this when
nobody is thinking of using draino?
>> Ammonia gas is >> actually used as a fertiliser applied directly to the soil. I am not >> recommending it for that in this case but saying that to point out >> it is relatively harmless. > Most ammonia gas escapes into the atmosphere, otherwise it easily runs > off in aqueous solution. Very little os mineralized into the soil for > use by the plants, which here is mostly GMO dent corn plants. >>
True but I was not recommending it for that purpose was I (or at all).
>>> A better choice would be a snail and slug bait whose active >>> ingredient is iron phosphate (technically that should be ferric >>> phosphate). It is sold as Sluggo, and Home Despot has a in house >>> brand that is a little cheaper. Iron phosphate will kill snails and >>> slugs, but is safe for humans and pets (unless your pet is a snail >>> or slug ;O) >> >> Agreed. >> >> David > Got that chook confined yet?
Other work has dragged me away from completing chook yards. Like so many
things - it's on the list.
> vegatables because we don't know if it is safe on edible plants.
>
> Is it?