Posted by Thos on August 22, 2010, 11:37 pm
Are you seriously saying that you support fish that eat chicken shit?
Seriously...
This is just one more reason why I consider you an idiot.
> Sci Am, April 2010
> Breaking the Growth Habit
> by Bill McKibben
> For the past quarter of a century, despite the rapid spread of
> massive-scale agribusiness farming, pesticides and genetically
> engineered crops, the amount of grain per person has been dropping.
> Serious people have begun to rethink small-scale agriculture, to produce
> lots of food on relatively small farms with little or nothing in the way
> of synthetic fertilizer or chemicals.
> The new agriculture often works best when it combines fresh knowledge
> with older wisdom. In Bangladesh a new chicken coop produces not just
> eggs and meat, but waste that feeds a fishpond, which in turn produces
> thousands of kilograms of protein annually, and a healthy crop of water
> hyacinths that are fed to a small herd of cows, whose dung in turn
> fires a biogas cooking system.
> In Malawi, tiny fishponds that recycle waste from the rest of a farm
> yield on average about 1,500 kilograms offish. In Madagascar, rice
> farmers working with European experts have figured out ways to increase
> yields. They transplant seedlings weeks earlier than is customary, space
> the plants farther apart, and keep the paddies unflooded during most of
> the growing season. That means they have to weed more, but it also
> increases yields fourfold to sixfold. An estimated 20,000 farmers have
> adopted the full system.
> In Craftsbury, Vt., Pete Johnson has helped pioneer year-round farming.
> Johnson has built solar greenhouses and figured out how to move them on
> tracks. He now can cover and uncover different fields and grow greens 10
> months of the year without any fossil fuels, allowing him to run his
> community-supported agriculture farm continuously.
> I'm not arguing for local food because it tastes better or because it's
> better for you. I'm arguing that we have no choice. In a world more
> prone to drought and flood, we need the resilience that comes with three
> dozen different crops in one field, not a vast ocean of corn or
> soybeans. In a world where warmth spreads pests more efficiently, we
> need the resilience of many local varieties and breeds. And in a world
> with less oil, we need the kind of small, mixed farms that can provide
> their own fertilizer and build their own soil.
> --
> - Billy
> "Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the
> merger of state and corporate power." - Benito Mussolini.
> http://www.democracynow.org/2010/7/2/maude
> http://english.aljazeera.net/video/middleeast/2010/07/201072816515308172.html
Posted by Billy on August 23, 2010, 12:37 am
> Are you seriously saying that you support fish that eat chicken shit?
> Seriously...
> This is just one more reason why I consider you an idiot.
No sense in explaining to the mentally myopic. Good luck with your life.
>
>
>
> > Sci Am, April 2010
> >
> > Breaking the Growth Habit
> > by Bill McKibben
> >
> > For the past quarter of a century, despite the rapid spread of
> > massive-scale agribusiness farming, pesticides and genetically
> > engineered crops, the amount of grain per person has been dropping.
> > Serious people have begun to rethink small-scale agriculture, to produce
> > lots of food on relatively small farms with little or nothing in the way
> > of synthetic fertilizer or chemicals.
> >
> >
> > The new agriculture often works best when it combines fresh knowledge
> > with older wisdom. In Bangladesh a new chicken coop produces not just
> > eggs and meat, but waste that feeds a fishpond, which in turn produces
> > thousands of kilograms of protein annually, and a healthy crop of water
> > hyacinths that are fed to a small herd of cows, whose dung in turn
> > fires a biogas cooking system.
> >
> >
> > In Malawi, tiny fishponds that recycle waste from the rest of a farm
> > yield on average about 1,500 kilograms offish. In Madagascar, rice
> > farmers working with European experts have figured out ways to increase
> > yields. They transplant seedlings weeks earlier than is customary, space
> > the plants farther apart, and keep the paddies unflooded during most of
> > the growing season. That means they have to weed more, but it also
> > increases yields fourfold to sixfold. An estimated 20,000 farmers have
> > adopted the full system.
> >
> >
> > In Craftsbury, Vt., Pete Johnson has helped pioneer year-round farming.
> > Johnson has built solar greenhouses and figured out how to move them on
> > tracks. He now can cover and uncover different fields and grow greens 10
> > months of the year without any fossil fuels, allowing him to run his
> > community-supported agriculture farm continuously.
> >
> >
> > I'm not arguing for local food because it tastes better or because it's
> > better for you. I'm arguing that we have no choice. In a world more
> > prone to drought and flood, we need the resilience that comes with three
> > dozen different crops in one field, not a vast ocean of corn or
> > soybeans. In a world where warmth spreads pests more efficiently, we
> > need the resilience of many local varieties and breeds. And in a world
> > with less oil, we need the kind of small, mixed farms that can provide
> > their own fertilizer and build their own soil.
> > --
> > - Billy
> > "Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the
> > merger of state and corporate power." - Benito Mussolini.
> > http://www.democracynow.org/2010/7/2/maude
> > http://english.aljazeera.net/video/middleeast/2010/07/201072816515308172.htm
> > l
--
- Billy
"Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the
merger of state and corporate power." - Benito Mussolini.
http://www.democracynow.org/2010/7/2/maude
http://english.aljazeera.net/video/middleeast/2010/07/201072816515308172.html
Posted by David Hare-Scott on August 23, 2010, 3:09 am
>> Sci Am, April 2010
>>
>> Breaking the Growth Habit
>> by Bill McKibben
>>
>> For the past quarter of a century, despite the rapid spread of
>> massive-scale agribusiness farming, pesticides and genetically
>> engineered crops, the amount of grain per person has been dropping.
>> Serious people have begun to rethink small-scale agriculture, to
>> produce lots of food on relatively small farms with little or
>> nothing in the way of synthetic fertilizer or chemicals.
>>
>>
>> The new agriculture often works best when it combines fresh knowledge
>> with older wisdom. In Bangladesh a new chicken coop produces not just
>> eggs and meat, but waste that feeds a fishpond, which in turn
>> produces thousands of kilograms of protein annually, and a healthy
>> crop of water hyacinths that are fed to a small herd of cows, whose
>> dung in turn fires a biogas cooking system.
>>
>>
>> In Malawi, tiny fishponds that recycle waste from the rest of a farm
>> yield on average about 1,500 kilograms offish. In Madagascar, rice
>> farmers working with European experts have figured out ways to
>> increase yields. They transplant seedlings weeks earlier than is
>> customary, space the plants farther apart, and keep the paddies
>> unflooded during most of the growing season. That means they have to
>> weed more, but it also increases yields fourfold to sixfold. An
>> estimated 20,000 farmers have adopted the full system.
>>
>>
>> In Craftsbury, Vt., Pete Johnson has helped pioneer year-round
>> farming. Johnson has built solar greenhouses and figured out how to
>> move them on tracks. He now can cover and uncover different fields
>> and grow greens 10 months of the year without any fossil fuels,
>> allowing him to run his community-supported agriculture farm
>> continuously. I'm not arguing for local food because it tastes better or
>> because
>> it's better for you. I'm arguing that we have no choice. In a world
>> more prone to drought and flood, we need the resilience that comes
>> with three dozen different crops in one field, not a vast ocean of
>> corn or soybeans. In a world where warmth spreads pests more
>> efficiently, we need the resilience of many local varieties and
>> breeds. And in a world with less oil, we need the kind of small,
>> mixed farms that can provide their own fertilizer and build their
>> own soil. --
>> - Billy
>> "Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the
>> merger of state and corporate power." - Benito Mussolini.
>> http://www.democracynow.org/2010/7/2/maude
>> http://english.aljazeera.net/video/middleeast/2010/07/201072816515308172.html
Thos wrote:
> Are you seriously saying that you support fish that eat chicken shit?
> Seriously...
> This is just one more reason why I consider you an idiot.
It says:
"a new chicken coop produces not just eggs and meat, but waste that feeds a
fishpond, which in turn produces thousands of kilograms of protein annually"
It is not the fish that 'eat' chicken shit it is the pond. I think you will
find that the manure makes algae and/or water plants grow which in turn
feeds the fish. You seem to be short on basic understanding of how
nutrients are recycled in nature and the benefit that humans can and must
get from coopting such processes.
Manures are some of the best additives for a productive garden. Mushrooms
grow on cow manure, do you despise them? Most of the phosphate that is
found in commercial fertiliser came out of the bum of a bird or a bat, does
the thought of that bother you? Rabbits regularly eat shit, does that mean
they are forever banned from your life?
If the fish did eat chicken shit (they probably wouldn't) why would it be
such a problem? Seriously.
David
Posted by FarmI on August 23, 2010, 3:10 am
> Are you seriously saying that you support fish that eat chicken shit?
Many vegetable plants 'eat' chicken shit (or horse shit or cow shit or many
other types of shit) and they in turn are eaten by humans.
> Seriously...
> This is just one more reason why I consider you an idiot.
"To each his own" said the old woman as she kissed the cow.
>> Sci Am, April 2010
>>
>> Breaking the Growth Habit
>> by Bill McKibben
>>
>> For the past quarter of a century, despite the rapid spread of
>> massive-scale agribusiness farming, pesticides and genetically
>> engineered crops, the amount of grain per person has been dropping.
>> Serious people have begun to rethink small-scale agriculture, to produce
>> lots of food on relatively small farms with little or nothing in the way
>> of synthetic fertilizer or chemicals.
>>
>>
>> The new agriculture often works best when it combines fresh knowledge
>> with older wisdom. In Bangladesh a new chicken coop produces not just
>> eggs and meat, but waste that feeds a fishpond, which in turn produces
>> thousands of kilograms of protein annually, and a healthy crop of water
>> hyacinths that are fed to a small herd of cows, whose dung in turn
>> fires a biogas cooking system.
>>
>>
>> In Malawi, tiny fishponds that recycle waste from the rest of a farm
>> yield on average about 1,500 kilograms offish. In Madagascar, rice
>> farmers working with European experts have figured out ways to increase
>> yields. They transplant seedlings weeks earlier than is customary, space
>> the plants farther apart, and keep the paddies unflooded during most of
>> the growing season. That means they have to weed more, but it also
>> increases yields fourfold to sixfold. An estimated 20,000 farmers have
>> adopted the full system.
>>
>>
>> In Craftsbury, Vt., Pete Johnson has helped pioneer year-round farming.
>> Johnson has built solar greenhouses and figured out how to move them on
>> tracks. He now can cover and uncover different fields and grow greens 10
>> months of the year without any fossil fuels, allowing him to run his
>> community-supported agriculture farm continuously.
>>
>>
>> I'm not arguing for local food because it tastes better or because it's
>> better for you. I'm arguing that we have no choice. In a world more
>> prone to drought and flood, we need the resilience that comes with three
>> dozen different crops in one field, not a vast ocean of corn or
>> soybeans. In a world where warmth spreads pests more efficiently, we
>> need the resilience of many local varieties and breeds. And in a world
>> with less oil, we need the kind of small, mixed farms that can provide
>> their own fertilizer and build their own soil.
>> --
>> - Billy
>> "Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the
>> merger of state and corporate power." - Benito Mussolini.
>> http://www.democracynow.org/2010/7/2/maude
>> http://english.aljazeera.net/video/middleeast/2010/07/201072816515308172.html
>
Posted by Frank on August 23, 2010, 7:28 am
> Are you seriously saying that you support fish that eat chicken shit?
> Seriously...
> This is just one more reason why I consider you an idiot.
> > Sci Am, April 2010
> > Breaking the Growth Habit
> > by Bill McKibben
> > For the past quarter of a century, despite the rapid spread of
> > massive-scale agribusiness farming, pesticides and genetically
> > engineered crops, the amount of grain per person has been dropping.
> > Serious people have begun to rethink small-scale agriculture, to produce
> > lots of food on relatively small farms with little or nothing in the way
> > of synthetic fertilizer or chemicals.
> > The new agriculture often works best when it combines fresh knowledge
> > with older wisdom. In Bangladesh a new chicken coop produces not just
> > eggs and meat, but waste that feeds a fishpond, which in turn produces
> > thousands of kilograms of protein annually, and a healthy crop of water
> > hyacinths that are fed to a small herd of cows, whose dung in turn
> > fires a biogas cooking system.
> > In Malawi, tiny fishponds that recycle waste from the rest of a farm
> > yield on average about 1,500 kilograms offish. In Madagascar, rice
> > farmers working with European experts have figured out ways to increase
> > yields. They transplant seedlings weeks earlier than is customary, space
> > the plants farther apart, and keep the paddies unflooded during most of
> > the growing season. That means they have to weed more, but it also
> > increases yields fourfold to sixfold. An estimated 20,000 farmers have
> > adopted the full system.
> > In Craftsbury, Vt., Pete Johnson has helped pioneer year-round farming.
> > Johnson has built solar greenhouses and figured out how to move them on
> > tracks. He now can cover and uncover different fields and grow greens 10
> > months of the year without any fossil fuels, allowing him to run his
> > community-supported agriculture farm continuously.
> > I'm not arguing for local food because it tastes better or because it's
> > better for you. I'm arguing that we have no choice. In a world more
> > prone to drought and flood, we need the resilience that comes with three
> > dozen different crops in one field, not a vast ocean of corn or
> > soybeans. In a world where warmth spreads pests more efficiently, we
> > need the resilience of many local varieties and breeds. And in a world
> > with less oil, we need the kind of small, mixed farms that can provide
> > their own fertilizer and build their own soil.
> > --
> > - Billy
> > "Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the
> > merger of state and corporate power." - Benito Mussolini.
> >http://www.democracynow.org/2010/7/2/maude
> >http://english.aljazeera.net/video/middleeast/2010/07/201072816515308...- Hide quoted text -
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Didn't know any in group see it as I do.
Op wants us to go back to the days when 95% of us were farmers ;)
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> Breaking the Growth Habit
> by Bill McKibben
> For the past quarter of a century, despite the rapid spread of
> massive-scale agribusiness farming, pesticides and genetically
> engineered crops, the amount of grain per person has been dropping.
> Serious people have begun to rethink small-scale agriculture, to produce
> lots of food on relatively small farms with little or nothing in the way
> of synthetic fertilizer or chemicals.
> The new agriculture often works best when it combines fresh knowledge
> with older wisdom. In Bangladesh a new chicken coop produces not just
> eggs and meat, but waste that feeds a fishpond, which in turn produces
> thousands of kilograms of protein annually, and a healthy crop of water
> hyacinths that are fed to a small herd of cows, whose dung in turn
> fires a biogas cooking system.
> In Malawi, tiny fishponds that recycle waste from the rest of a farm
> yield on average about 1,500 kilograms offish. In Madagascar, rice
> farmers working with European experts have figured out ways to increase
> yields. They transplant seedlings weeks earlier than is customary, space
> the plants farther apart, and keep the paddies unflooded during most of
> the growing season. That means they have to weed more, but it also
> increases yields fourfold to sixfold. An estimated 20,000 farmers have
> adopted the full system.
> In Craftsbury, Vt., Pete Johnson has helped pioneer year-round farming.
> Johnson has built solar greenhouses and figured out how to move them on
> tracks. He now can cover and uncover different fields and grow greens 10
> months of the year without any fossil fuels, allowing him to run his
> community-supported agriculture farm continuously.
> I'm not arguing for local food because it tastes better or because it's
> better for you. I'm arguing that we have no choice. In a world more
> prone to drought and flood, we need the resilience that comes with three
> dozen different crops in one field, not a vast ocean of corn or
> soybeans. In a world where warmth spreads pests more efficiently, we
> need the resilience of many local varieties and breeds. And in a world
> with less oil, we need the kind of small, mixed farms that can provide
> their own fertilizer and build their own soil.
> --
> - Billy
> "Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the
> merger of state and corporate power." - Benito Mussolini.
> http://www.democracynow.org/2010/7/2/maude
> http://english.aljazeera.net/video/middleeast/2010/07/201072816515308172.html