Posted by Bill who putters on November 29, 2010, 2:12 pm
I always thought that what was local was best and cheaper. I swear by
wood chips. Marton NJ 20 miles away gave me green sand and I purchased
granite dust in the day. Other things brought in was various manures if
I cleaned it up the coop or stall.
Green manures are a given sort of like roots trying to help the soil.
Dried blood and bone meal too. (Prions) I've also composted barber
hair and sea weed along with fish and game innards.
Question ....are some amendments deleterious more than others?
Peat got me questioning thinking.
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Bill S. Jersey USA zone 5 shade garden
Posted by Una on November 29, 2010, 2:41 pm
In places with high salt content in the soil already, soil amendments that
are high in salts can be bad news.
Una
Posted by Doug Freyburger on November 30, 2010, 4:57 pm
Una wrote:
> In places with high salt content in the soil already, soil amendments that
> are high in salts can be bad news.
I take it salt in soil is a sign of poor drainage and/or insufficient
rainfall. When Rome finally took out Carthage they plowed salt into the
soil. Carthage never came back from that and the place is still desert
today, but the soil is no longer salty. Even in a desert there's been
enough rain and drainage to leach it all away centuries ago.
One of the long term problems with pumping well water and other
irrigation for crops is it tends to build minerals in the soil faster
than natural drainage. The soil moves towards desert over a period of
centuries. There are vast deserts in the world that were once lush
agricultural lands. The desert of Iraq was one of the birthplaces of
agriculture and there was a History Channel show this week on a Sahara
site that was once a grain farming community.
Posted by Una on November 30, 2010, 5:21 pm
Una wrote:
>> In places with high salt content in the soil already, soil amendments
>> that are high in salts can be bad news.
>I take it salt in soil is a sign of poor drainage and/or insufficient
>rainfall.
In some places the salt is of geological origin: former seabeds. The
groundwater in some parts of the world is so heavily laden with salts
*from within the ground* that it is not drinkable and very few species
of plants can survive either. It takes a *lot* of rainfall to remove
so much salt.
One cause of desertification is centuries of extraction of organic
matter, and soil nitrogen, by humans. Intense agriculture does that,
where biomass is produced in one place and consumed somewhere else.
Una
Posted by David Hare-Scott on November 30, 2010, 5:30 pm
Doug Freyburger wrote:
> Una wrote:
>>
>> In places with high salt content in the soil already, soil
>> amendments that are high in salts can be bad news.
> I take it salt in soil is a sign of poor drainage and/or insufficient
> rainfall.
Not necessarily, it is a complex issue with more than one cause, see:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soil_salination
When Rome finally took out Carthage they plowed salt into
> the soil. Carthage never came back from that and the place is still
> desert today, but the soil is no longer salty. Even in a desert
> there's been enough rain and drainage to leach it all away centuries
> ago.
Yes rainfall will tend to remove salt just as it leaches all soluble salts
over time. It isn't clear to me if the proverbial application of salt by
Rome resulted in the desert, I suspect there is more to it than that.
> One of the long term problems with pumping well water and other
> irrigation for crops is it tends to build minerals in the soil faster
> than natural drainage.
That can happen but it is not the only way that soil damage can be caused.
Irrigation water can raise the water table so that salty water that was
safely buried comes up to interfere with plant growth
The soil moves towards desert over a period of
> centuries. There are vast deserts in the world that were once lush
> agricultural lands. The desert of Iraq was one of the birthplaces of
> agriculture and there was a History Channel show this week on a Sahara
> site that was once a grain farming community.
I wouldn't assume that all that was all due to salinity, over grazing and
other mismanagement contributed. It is much easier to damage soil and allow
deserts to encroach than the reverse.
See:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Desertification
I seem to recall that there have been some climate change effects in the
fertile crescent too (over millenia not the last century) but I cannot find
the reference to it.
David
> are high in salts can be bad news.