At first casual glance I was taken aback. But then I thought of two
common gardening techniques.
1) Pruning
2) Thinning
3) ????
4) ????
I do not know of a third except for maybe small holes that starve or
force roots to spread out versus a large hole with nutrients all about.
In the world of humanity we have adversity builds strength sort of a
take on Frederick Nietzsche "That which does not kill me makes me
stronger." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Friedrich_Nietzsche
But I am a nurture kind of guy and I nurture my plants funny how
pruning and thinning come into play.
This inspired by
Peter Cundall
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Cundall
> Suzanne D. wrote: >> I bought a bunch of tomato and pepper plants yesterday, and some of >> them have flowers and/or fruit on them already. I asked the people >> at the stores if I should pinch them off when planting in order to >> put more energy toward root-building, and three different people said >> I didn't have to. I'd LOVE for this to be true, but I could swear I >> heard somewhere that you are supposed to pinch off the flowers and >> fruit when you plant. Can anyone enlighten me once and for all? >> --S.
> I have never bothered with this pinching out of fruits and flowers and my > transplants work just fine. This is not conclusive because it is possible > that if I did it they would do even better.
:-)) Well Peter Cundall always says to treat tomatoes badly so they
think
they are going to die and thus flower early. I assume his reasoning for
that is to get crops from them. Whatever Pete says is good enough for
me as
his advice has always been woth following so I'd never think of
deflowering
at planting.
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Bill S. Jersey USA zone 5 shade garden
What use one more wake up call?
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Posted by Billy on June 16, 2010, 4:44 pm
> At first casual glance I was taken aback. But then I thought of two > common gardening techniques. > > 1) Pruning
Pruning, in this group, would be to insure that all the fruit the plant
sets, will ripen
> 2) Thinning
Thinning gives a single plant the maximum of nutrition and sunlight. It
must be admitted, though, it salutatory effect on the plants that are
thinned, is much less.
3) Setting Plants on Fire
Setting fire to your manzanita plants, occassionally, is helpful to
their proliferation, but isn't generally considered beneficial to other
plants. This technique is especially effective in coastal canyons. ;O)
> 4) ???? > > I do not know of a third except for maybe small holes that starve or > force roots to spread out versus a large hole with nutrients all about. > > In the world of humanity we have adversity builds strength sort of a > take on Frederick Nietzsche "That which does not kill me makes me > stronger." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Friedrich_Nietzsche > > But I am a nurture kind of guy and I nurture my plants funny how > pruning and thinning come into play. > > This inspired by > > Peter Cundall > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Cundall > > > Suzanne D. wrote: > >> I bought a bunch of tomato and pepper plants yesterday, and some of > >> them have flowers and/or fruit on them already. I asked the people > >> at the stores if I should pinch them off when planting in order to > >> put more energy toward root-building, and three different people said > >> I didn't have to. I'd LOVE for this to be true, but I could swear I > >> heard somewhere that you are supposed to pinch off the flowers and > >> fruit when you plant. Can anyone enlighten me once and for all? > >> --S. > > > I have never bothered with this pinching out of fruits and flowers and my > > transplants work just fine. This is not conclusive because it is possible > > that if I did it they would do even better. > > :-)) Well Peter Cundall always says to treat tomatoes badly so they > think > they are going to die and thus flower early. I assume his reasoning for > that is to get crops from them. Whatever Pete says is good enough for > me as > his advice has always been woth following so I'd never think of > deflowering > at planting.
--
- Billy
"Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the
merger of state and corporate power." - Benito Mussolini.
> > > At first casual glance I was taken aback. But then I thought of two > > common gardening techniques. > > > > 1) Pruning > Pruning, in this group, would be to insure that all the fruit the plant > sets, will ripen > > 2) Thinning > Thinning gives a single plant the maximum of nutrition and sunlight. It > must be admitted, though, it salutatory effect on the plants that are > thinned, is much less. > 3) Setting Plants on Fire > Setting fire to your manzanita plants, occassionally, is helpful to > their proliferation, but isn't generally considered beneficial to other > plants. This technique is especially effective in coastal canyons. ;O) > > 4) ????
Hmmm... Looking for a single word ?
3) Burning ?
4) Pinching (Deflowering) ?
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Enjoy Life... Dan
Garden in Zone 5 South East Michigan.
Posted by David Hare-Scott on June 16, 2010, 7:54 pm
Bill who putters wrote:
> At first casual glance I was taken aback. But then I thought of two > common gardening techniques. > 1) Pruning > 2) Thinning > 3) ???? > 4) ????
As long as the treatment is getting the plant to do what you want without
weakening it too much. For example pruning at the wrong time may ruin
flowering instead of encouraging it. Cutting asparagus too long in spring
will weaken the plant and not allow it to store energy over summer so the
harvest next spring will be reduced.
> I do not know of a third except for maybe small holes that starve or > force roots to spread out versus a large hole with nutrients all > about. > In the world of humanity we have adversity builds strength sort of a > take on Frederick Nietzsche "That which does not kill me makes me > stronger." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Friedrich_Nietzsche
I wouldn't want to generalise this concept too much.
> But I am a nurture kind of guy and I nurture my plants funny how > pruning and thinning come into play. > This inspired by > Peter Cundall > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Cundall >> Suzanne D. wrote: >>> I bought a bunch of tomato and pepper plants yesterday, and some of >>> them have flowers and/or fruit on them already. I asked the people >>> at the stores if I should pinch them off when planting in order to >>> put more energy toward root-building, and three different people >>> said I didn't have to. I'd LOVE for this to be true, but I could >>> swear I heard somewhere that you are supposed to pinch off the >>> flowers and fruit when you plant. Can anyone enlighten me once and >>> for all? --S. >> I have never bothered with this pinching out of fruits and flowers >> and my transplants work just fine. This is not conclusive because >> it is possible that if I did it they would do even better. > :-)) Well Peter Cundall always says to treat tomatoes badly so they > think > they are going to die and thus flower early. I assume his reasoning > for that is to get crops from them. Whatever Pete says is good > enough for me as > his advice has always been woth following so I'd never think of > deflowering > at planting.
Cundall is pretty good. In this case you are treating the plant harshly in
the short term to turn a metabolic switch. Once that is done you need to
treat it well so it has lots of energy to put into fruit. Continued harsh
treatment will just give you a stunted plant.
The converse might be a pumpkin plant. A healthy plant in full sun will
produce fertilised flower numbers in excess of what the vine can support to
ripeness. Treating it harshly will get you nowhere. In this case you to
maximise yield you should be nice to it, give it lots of water and
fertilser. Don't generalise too much.
David
Posted by Pavel314 on June 17, 2010, 9:52 am
> Bill who putters wrote: > > At first casual glance I was taken aback. But then I thought of two > > common gardening techniques. > > 1) Pruning > > 2) Thinning > > 3) ???? > > 4) ???? > As long as the treatment is getting the plant to do what you want without > weakening it too much. For example pruning at the wrong time may ruin > flowering instead of encouraging it. Cutting asparagus too long in spring > will weaken the plant and not allow it to store energy over summer so the > harvest next spring will be reduced. > > I do not know of a third except for maybe small holes that starve or > > force roots to spread out versus a large hole with nutrients all > > about. > > In the world of humanity we have adversity builds strength sort of a > > take on Frederick Nietzsche "That which does not kill me makes me > > stronger." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Friedrich_Nietzsche > I wouldn't want to generalise this concept too much. > > But I am a nurture kind of guy and I nurture my plants funny how > > pruning and thinning come into play. > > This inspired by > > Peter Cundall > >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Cundall > >> Suzanne D. wrote: > >>> I bought a bunch of tomato and pepper plants yesterday, and some of > >>> them have flowers and/or fruit on them already. I asked the people > >>> at the stores if I should pinch them off when planting in order to > >>> put more energy toward root-building, and three different people > >>> said I didn't have to. I'd LOVE for this to be true, but I could > >>> swear I heard somewhere that you are supposed to pinch off the > >>> flowers and fruit when you plant. Can anyone enlighten me once and > >>> for all? --S. > >> I have never bothered with this pinching out of fruits and flowers > >> and my transplants work just fine. This is not conclusive because > >> it is possible that if I did it they would do even better. > > :-)) Well Peter Cundall always says to treat tomatoes badly so they > > think > > they are going to die and thus flower early. I assume his reasoning > > for that is to get crops from them. Whatever Pete says is good > > enough for me as > > his advice has always been woth following so I'd never think of > > deflowering > > at planting. > Cundall is pretty good. In this case you are treating the plant harshly in > the short term to turn a metabolic switch. Once that is done you need to > treat it well so it has lots of energy to put into fruit. Continued harsh > treatment will just give you a stunted plant. > The converse might be a pumpkin plant. A healthy plant in full sun will > produce fertilised flower numbers in excess of what the vine can support to > ripeness. Treating it harshly will get you nowhere. In this case you to > maximise yield you should be nice to it, give it lots of water and > fertilser. Don't generalise too much. > David- Hide quoted text - > - Show quoted text -
I've noticed that digging around the roots of fruit trees seems to
increase the yield the next year, much like pruning, although I've
never done a scientific measurement with controls and such. My theory
is that when plants are injured, they try to reproduce their species
as much as possible in case they don't survive. But that's probably
attributing too much conscious intent to the plants.
>> I bought a bunch of tomato and pepper plants yesterday, and some of
>> them have flowers and/or fruit on them already. I asked the people
>> at the stores if I should pinch them off when planting in order to
>> put more energy toward root-building, and three different people said
>> I didn't have to. I'd LOVE for this to be true, but I could swear I
>> heard somewhere that you are supposed to pinch off the flowers and
>> fruit when you plant. Can anyone enlighten me once and for all?
>> --S.
> I have never bothered with this pinching out of fruits and flowers and my
> transplants work just fine. This is not conclusive because it is possible
> that if I did it they would do even better.