Posted by Derald on June 28, 2011, 10:23 pm
1. If you interplant other veggies among your garlic, what are they?
2. How closely may companion crops be planted? Put another way, how sensitive is
garlic to crowding?
I'm awaiting an order of organic Inchelium Red, which is purported to do
well in the warm humid Gulf states. I'm in a climate where, although, from late
October onward overnight lows may (occasionaly) be in the 40's (F) daytime highs
remain in at least the 70's (on average) until December. Durations of daytime
highs in the 40's are usually measured in days (Jan. & Feb.) and those of
overnight lows approaching freezing, usually in hours (sometimes just an hour,
or so). I am concerned about vernalization, if it's even necessary for the
variety I've chosen.
--
Derald
FL USDA zone 9a
http://www.onlineconversion.com/
Posted by songbird on June 29, 2011, 2:51 am
Derald wrote:
> 1. If you interplant other veggies among your garlic, what are they?
right now i'm growing garlic with birdsfoot
trefoil and alfalfa. the legumes are veggies
for the worms (but some people do actually eat
alfalfa tablets as a dietary supplement).
no observed problems yet, but i still have
to pull it.
> 2. How closely may companion crops be planted? Put another way, how sensitive
is
> garlic to crowding?
as long as the leaves get light and the plant
gets enough moisture i think they can be planted
fairly closely (spaced a few inches from other
garlic) if you have companion plants over a
foot and a half tall that might be pressing your
luck if you want large cloves.
on the other hand, i've yet to find a garlic
i didn't like eating the green tops (garlic
chives) and didn't have more scapes and/or
seeds than i could possibly use even if they
were grown tightly packed. i keep a patch
apart from the rest of the plantings as a
backup source of bulbs/scapes. so far i've not
had to do anything to it but keep the grasses
out.
> I'm awaiting an order of organic Inchelium Red, which is purported to do
> well in the warm humid Gulf states. I'm in a climate where, although, from late
> October onward overnight lows may (occasionaly) be in the 40's (F) daytime
highs
> remain in at least the 70's (on average) until December. Durations of daytime
> highs in the 40's are usually measured in days (Jan. & Feb.) and those of
> overnight lows approaching freezing, usually in hours (sometimes just an hour,
> or so). I am concerned about vernalization, if it's even necessary for the
> variety I've chosen.
it seems rather early to be putting garlic
in, but perhaps down there it can be done
that ways? hmm... two plantings? seems
like the heat will cook it (a big risk of
dehydration in that sandy soil you've got).
here i harvest the scapes/bulbs and let them
sit for a month or two before replanting them
(late August - early September). and of course
eat or give away most of them.
let us know how it goes. :)
songbird
Posted by Derald on June 29, 2011, 9:15 am
> right now i'm growing garlic with birdsfoot
>trefoil and alfalfa.
Well, I had to look up trefoil on the web and alfalfa comes in bags from
the feed store. Alfalfa might grow during the winter but maybe a compact variety
of garden pea might do if trellised in a N-S bed as not to shade the garlic.
> it seems rather early to be putting garlic
>in, but perhaps down there it can be done
>that ways? hmm... two plantings?
Oh, no. I'm just planning, not planting, the fall garden. Just because I'm
waiting doesn't mean the garlic will be here any time soon! One has to pre-order
early (April) to be sure of getting the stuff. Barring some production problem,
I expect it to arrive in August. Down here, garlic (and bulbing onions) are
planted Oct-Dec and start coming in in late April - June. I keep the garlic in a
35° refrigerator until time to plant.
I found this photo on Gardenweb of chilled and unchilled Inchelium Red
garlic grown side-by-side in Sanford, FL (USDA zone 10), quite a distance south
of me:
<http://s735.photobucket.com/albums/ww353/michaelc0/?action=view¤t=DSCF2333.jpg> .
I get the impression that garlic grown this far south is only a shade of the
garlic grown in Northern climes but then you're not likely to have that citrus
tree you see in the background; LOL!
>(a big risk of dehydration in that sandy soil you've got)
In hot weather, I insulate the beds with bagged leaves, pine straw or
store-bought wheat straw, whichever is readily at hand. Also, the beds are
amended with fair amounts of composted organic matter including vegetative
compost and manures.
--
Derald
FL USDA zone 9a
http://www.onlineconversion.com/
Posted by songbird on June 29, 2011, 3:03 pm
Derald wrote:
> songbird wrote:
>>
>> right now i'm growing garlic with birdsfoot
>>trefoil and alfalfa.
> Well, I had to look up trefoil on the web and alfalfa comes in bags from
> the feed store. Alfalfa might grow during the winter but maybe a compact
variety
> of garden pea might do if trellised in a N-S bed as not to shade the garlic.
compact garden pea sounds ok. :)
>> it seems rather early to be putting garlic
>>in, but perhaps down there it can be done
>>that ways? hmm... two plantings?
> Oh, no. I'm just planning, not planting, the fall garden. Just because I'm
> waiting doesn't mean the garlic will be here any time soon! One has to
pre-order
> early (April) to be sure of getting the stuff. Barring some production problem,
> I expect it to arrive in August. Down here, garlic (and bulbing onions) are
> planted Oct-Dec and start coming in in late April - June. I keep the garlic in
a
> 35° refrigerator until time to plant.
ok, thanks for clarification.
> I found this photo on Gardenweb of chilled and unchilled Inchelium Red
> garlic grown side-by-side in Sanford, FL (USDA zone 10), quite a distance south
> of me:
><http://s735.photobucket.com/albums/ww353/michaelc0/?action=view¤t=DSCF2333.jpg> .
> I get the impression that garlic grown this far south is only a shade of the
> garlic grown in Northern climes but then you're not likely to have that citrus
> tree you see in the background; LOL!
i really have no idea as i've never gardened that
far south. the fact that you do get some cool
weather is probably enough for a species selected
like you have.
>>(a big risk of dehydration in that sandy soil you've got)
> In hot weather, I insulate the beds with bagged leaves, pine straw or
> store-bought wheat straw, whichever is readily at hand. Also, the beds are
> amended with fair amounts of composted organic matter including vegetative
> compost and manures.
since you are planting late (and not early as
i was wondering about) i do think you'll be
ok with this. :) and again, i also know that
you monitor your gardens regularly so there
would be less worry for dehydration than with
a random poster asking about this.
songbird
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