Posted by John Savage on September 30, 2008, 9:05 am
>Anyone who buys a gal-tank these days has rocks in there heads.
Maybe, maybe not. The OP didn't say exactly what he/she wanted it for
or where he intended to locate it. But he did indicate that he lived in
the mountains.
I do know that after house fires there are usually two structures left
standing: the firebrick chimney, and the gal tank, and no one has
successfully seen out the loss of a house in a firestorm by taking refuge in
their chimney!
> As for concrete tanks, Sure there OK, IF you can afford a large crane to
>install the thing and if you can get the thing into the back yard in the
>first place.
The OP never mentioned a yard, or a back yard, AFAIR so I made no assumptions.
When I was buying a tank 4 years ago, for the size we wanted we could get a
prefab concrete tank delivered ready to site on a lowloader with crane for
about the cost of a poly tank half its capacity. The concrete tank likewise
had a long life guarantee, and a guarantee that it would not be cracked
during install. I may be wrong, but I reckon that a cement tank should keep
the water cooler, in scorching summer heat, than does a PVC tank.
But I would agree that todays steel tanks are probably a mere shadow of the
quality of those that were manufactured 50 years ago. Though they must still
offer some advantage or they wouldn't be still being sold. Fire resistance
or melting point may well be one.
I think it cost around $500 for our pressure pump; quite a robust unit and of
capacity more than required for 98% of the time but the tank was to be used
for house, laundry and 2 garden taps simultaneously at times.
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Posted by David Hare-Scott on September 25, 2008, 8:54 pm
> If you have a high house and want to raise the tank onto a stand, then
> the stand is likely to cost more than the tank! But a high tank means
> that you are not held hostage to a pressure pump for gardening, and a
> reliable 240 supply during hosing down during bushfire weather. The
> poly tanks are happy to sit on a bed of builder's sand (the stuff that
> has clay in it, and sets like cement with time). Make sure that the
> edges can't get eroded over the years, and protect the tank from
> accidental scraping from passing tractors, etc.
I high tank that gives gravity flow is also limited in volume by the
distance from the roof to the stand.
> Pressure pumps, while giving the convenience of mains pressure, have
Mains pressure will be a big expensive pump. Cheaper ones with less than
mains pressure are OK for the garden.
> a sinister side: while you are at work they can completely empty your
> tank, and if you are really unlucky, dump it all onto your bathroom
> floor. An advantage of placing the pressure pump where you will hear
> it in operation is so that in the middle of the night you can ask
> yourself, "Why is that pump going?!" and in short time discover that
> someone has left a garden tap turned on.
This is true. You must make sure your plumbing is good, especially polypipe
joints are not as reliable as metal. As well as wasting water and soaking
somewhere you don't want soaked a leak or tap left on may burn out the pump
motor if it runs dry. My garden tank is turned off at the valve and the
motor switched off when not in use for this reason.
David
Posted by FarmI on September 29, 2008, 8:02 am
>> We have 3 pressure pumps and a fire fighting pump. We've never had a
>> problem with the fire fighting pump but have had to replace all three
>> pressure pumps. We've lost 2 full tanks of house water (that I can
>> recall)
>> and lost so many tanks of gardening water that I wouldn't be able to give
>> even a rough guesstimate of the number. Reasons include: cow eating poly
>> pipe, cow eating tank fitting, stock trough failure due to cow eating
>> fitting, stock trough failure due to stock trough fitting failure, pump
>> failure, multiple and differing human failures.
>>
>> Shit happens.
> I certainly hope it did, with little bits of poly fittings in. Or do cows
> not
> survive eating plastic bits?
We haven't lost one yet to poly pipe but I know of producers who have had
thier animals die from eating the stuff. The sodding things just love it
for some reason. They also like to chew bones too.
Posted by terryc on September 26, 2008, 12:09 pm
On Thu, 25 Sep 2008 06:01:02 +0000, John Savage wrote:
> If you have a high house and want to raise the tank onto a stand, then the
> stand is likely to cost more than the tank!
Why not just sit it on the ground and buy a taller tank? Pressure is a
factor of the "head" (height of water above the tap), assuming you've
used at least 1/2" pipe and not a long run.
> But a high tank means that you
> are not held hostage to a pressure pump for gardening, and a reliable
> 240 supply during hosing down during bushfire weather.
Reliable mains and bushfires do not go together.
Posted by John Savage on September 30, 2008, 9:04 am
>On Thu, 25 Sep 2008 06:01:02 +0000, John Savage wrote:
>> If you have a high house and want to raise the tank onto a stand, then the
>> stand is likely to cost more than the tank!
>Why not just sit it on the ground and buy a taller tank? Pressure is a
>factor of the "head" (height of water above the tap), assuming you've
>used at least 1/2" pipe and not a long run.
Best to ask those who sit tanks on stands. But a tank sitting on the
ground right outside your window can block a lot of view. If yard space
is at a premium, a water tank on a high stand can still allow you to see
out, and it will not block cooling breeze from that direction. Security
would come into it, too, you may not want a tank to block your line of
sight to the garage, street, neighbours, etc., or to offer cover to some
one trying to break in. Where the stand already exists, it might have a
garden or storage shed underneath. Some farm tanks have a gravity fed
shower underneath or alongside.
Filling a high tank from a well or an underground cement tank might be
preferred as a fire safety measure, offering a supply of low-pressure
water even should the electricity fail.
>> But a high tank means that you
>> are not held hostage to a pressure pump for gardening, and a reliable
>> 240 supply during hosing down during bushfire weather.
>Reliable mains and bushfires do not go together.
Which is why I didn't mention mains.
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