Posted by PC on February 7, 2010, 6:30 pm
On 8/02/2010 9:45 AM, David Hare-Scott wrote:
> Terryc wrote:
>> Jonno wrote:
>>> Winter report from Europe...
>>> Holland to be exact... Global warming on the increase?
>>
>> Yep, fits right in.
> Sure does :-)
> For a multi-alias propagandist who doesn't understand the difference
> between climate and weather.
> D
Show me?
Now it seems I've gone up in the world. Thank you for your apparent
attempt at explaining what I do. I didnt realise. What a relief...
Re: Weather and climate>>> They are both interelated, and the argument
is over you said... I use the interchangeble. You like to jump in it to
ridicule. When people loose they often resort to this method. I dont
think youre very nice!
Just because you only know how to use one computer, I use a few...As i
explained before, otherwise I would deny the fact.
You who doesnt WISH to understand why scientists need to explain, also
appear to haul in a few names but you dont tell....
There is NO need for carbon credits as CO2 effects stop being effective
and cannot increase its effects after its reached a certain level. What
part of that dont you understand?
What part cant you understand? Are you all that bright?
O boy, if you could only read and understand.
Try again... Youve failed miserably in the past.
BTW this garden.aud is part of the intranet, and as such is seen over
quite a large network ALL over the world....
I dont see to many disagreeing besides self interested people.
Whereas I have no pecuniary interest...
> The sole support for AGW is the climate models, and the sole support for the
climate models with respect to CO2 is the forcing parameter.
There is no actual physical rational for the forcing parameter, because
it was simply
contrived from the assumption that observed warming of 0.6°C was due
entirely to a 100ppmv
increase in atmospheric CO2 concentration.
There was never any verification of this parameter either by theory or
observation.
There is no justification for this parameter based on the physical
properties of CO2,
because the molecular configuration of the CO2 molecule precludes any
significant effect
from CO2 beyond a concentration of 300ppmv, and the current
concentration is 386ppmv.
> What this means in laymans terms is:
> even if we double the CURRENT CO2 concentrations, warming wouldnt double
triple or otherwise increase.
> It stays the SAME as it is now. I can see that we cannot easily reduce the
carbon level.
Posted by Terryc on February 9, 2010, 9:49 pm
PC wrote:
> Re: Weather and climate>>> They are both interelated, and the argument
> is over you said... I use the interchangeble.
interrelated =/= interchangeable.
And no, there is a relationship, but it isn't reversible.
Posted by Dan on February 8, 2010, 6:40 am
> Winter report from Europe...
> Holland to be exact... Global warming on the increase?
> After almost six weeks of uninterrupted snow, ice, sleet and hail,
> supplies of road grit are almost completely exhausted.
> Several provinces, including North Holland, are only gritting main roads
> and bus lanes. The authorities hope that the shortage of road grit will
> not lead to entire areas being cut-off from the rest of the world.
> It's far colder now than it was when the weather took a turn for the worse
> in December. The snow is sticking to the ice-cold asphalt and many roads
> are dangerously slippery. During the Monday morning rush hour, dozens of
> motorists in the centre of the country gave up and parked on the verge
> because it was just too dangerous to continue.
> Monday’s rush hour was a record breaker - the 500 kilometres of tailbacks
> and traffic jams made it the busiest since the beginning of winter. Monday
> morning was also one of the busiest days on the roads ever. This week saw
> a rare weather event as well - an Arctic depression and storm, accompanied
> by lightning and temperatures of -40 degrees Celsius, hovered over the sea
> just off the Dutch coast. The last time that happened was in 1979.
> *Incidents
> *Fortunately, there haven’t been many serious incidents. Just one person
> has been killed in a weather-related incident since winter set in with a
> vengeance. Other countries, including Poland, Great Britain and Germany,
> have reported numerous weather-related deaths.
> The first few days of snow and freezing temperatures caused havoc on the
> railways but the trains appear to have become accustomed to the cold and
> although the rail companies aren't running as many trains as normal, most
> of them are running almost on time.
> *Limits
> *Many people appear to have reached their psychological limit, not only
> because of the daily problems but also because they have finally realised
> that the cold and ice is going to stick around for quite a long while. The
> joy that greeted the first flurries of snow and the news that the
> Netherlands would have its first white Christmas for decades has long
> gone.
> Meteorologists say January was the coldest month so far this century and
> the first with an average temperature below zero. Weather experts are also
> predicting that the snow and ice will continue for the coming week.
> *Trends
> *Ever increasing numbers of people are wondering whether this is the
> beginning of a trend instead of an unusual event. People are wondering
> whether winter weather records will be broken, year after year after year
> and if the sight of pack ice drifting ashore along the banks of the
> IJsselmeer will become ordinary.
> It is quite likely that it will become quite ordinary to hear people
> complaining about the weather and longing for a return to the good old
> days of the late 20th century, when the winters were short and mild.
> Bring back global warming I reckon Think warm feel cold?
> --
It does seem weird, but colder conditions are just as normal as hotter
conditions as a result of global warming. It is the heat that drives the
weather systems. Thus extra heat means extra driving force. Hence all
weather events become more extreme. That includes cold spells.
We just have to learn to survive it.
Cheers,
Dan
Posted by atec 77 on February 8, 2010, 7:44 am
Dan wrote:
>> Winter report from Europe...
>> Holland to be exact... Global warming on the increase?
>>
>> After almost six weeks of uninterrupted snow, ice, sleet and hail,
>> supplies of road grit are almost completely exhausted.
>> Several provinces, including North Holland, are only gritting main roads
>> and bus lanes. The authorities hope that the shortage of road grit will
>> not lead to entire areas being cut-off from the rest of the world.
>>
>> It's far colder now than it was when the weather took a turn for the worse
>> in December. The snow is sticking to the ice-cold asphalt and many roads
>> are dangerously slippery. During the Monday morning rush hour, dozens of
>> motorists in the centre of the country gave up and parked on the verge
>> because it was just too dangerous to continue.
>>
>> Monday’s rush hour was a record breaker - the 500 kilometres of tailbacks
>> and traffic jams made it the busiest since the beginning of winter. Monday
>> morning was also one of the busiest days on the roads ever. This week saw
>> a rare weather event as well - an Arctic depression and storm, accompanied
>> by lightning and temperatures of -40 degrees Celsius, hovered over the sea
>> just off the Dutch coast. The last time that happened was in 1979.
>>
>> *Incidents
>> *Fortunately, there haven’t been many serious incidents. Just one person
>> has been killed in a weather-related incident since winter set in with a
>> vengeance. Other countries, including Poland, Great Britain and Germany,
>> have reported numerous weather-related deaths.
>>
>> The first few days of snow and freezing temperatures caused havoc on the
>> railways but the trains appear to have become accustomed to the cold and
>> although the rail companies aren't running as many trains as normal, most
>> of them are running almost on time.
>>
>> *Limits
>> *Many people appear to have reached their psychological limit, not only
>> because of the daily problems but also because they have finally realised
>> that the cold and ice is going to stick around for quite a long while. The
>> joy that greeted the first flurries of snow and the news that the
>> Netherlands would have its first white Christmas for decades has long
>> gone.
>>
>> Meteorologists say January was the coldest month so far this century and
>> the first with an average temperature below zero. Weather experts are also
>> predicting that the snow and ice will continue for the coming week.
>>
>> *Trends
>> *Ever increasing numbers of people are wondering whether this is the
>> beginning of a trend instead of an unusual event. People are wondering
>> whether winter weather records will be broken, year after year after year
>> and if the sight of pack ice drifting ashore along the banks of the
>> IJsselmeer will become ordinary.
>>
>> It is quite likely that it will become quite ordinary to hear people
>> complaining about the weather and longing for a return to the good old
>> days of the late 20th century, when the winters were short and mild.
>>
>> Bring back global warming I reckon Think warm feel cold?
>>
>> --
> It does seem weird, but colder conditions are just as normal as hotter
> conditions as a result of global warming. It is the heat that drives the
> weather systems. Thus extra heat means extra driving force. Hence all
> weather events become more extreme. That includes cold spells.
> We just have to learn to survive it.
> Cheers,
> Dan
>
>
I guess rationalising a natural happening floats your boat , I remember
in the 70's we used to get huge rainfall here in Brizvegas just like the
last few days , maybe things are returning to normal
Posted by Terryc on February 9, 2010, 9:54 pm
atec 77 wrote:
> I guess rationalising a natural happening floats your boat , I remember
> in the 70's we used to get huge rainfall here in Brizvegas just like the
> last few days , maybe things are returning to normal
Funny you should say that, buy my back door frame adjusted itself
overnight and now, after taking out the hinge packing, it is closable
and lockable just like when it was installed.
We are on piers on clay, not a slab, so this means the recent heavy
rains have raised the water content of the claybased soil under my house.
To me, flooding on the NSW north coas was just a regular event.
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>> Jonno wrote:
>>> Winter report from Europe...
>>> Holland to be exact... Global warming on the increase?
>>
>> Yep, fits right in.
> Sure does :-)
> For a multi-alias propagandist who doesn't understand the difference
> between climate and weather.
> D