Posted by David Hare-Scott on January 26, 2010, 8:11 am
Steve wrote:
> On 26/01/2010 2:40 PM, David Hare-Scott wrote:
>> Steve wrote:
>>> Water drill ban has farmers fuming
>>> http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2010/01/26/2801387.htm?section=justin
>>>
>>
>> I can see how this sudden announcement would be gauling if you were
>> relying on that resource.
>> You mean Galling.
Thanks I am corrected.
>>
>>> First they take the opportunity to stop building dams, then as it
>>
>> Sorry I am not familiar with QLD dam building policy. What
>> opportunity is this? What dams is the QLD government not building?
>>
> Any that may be needed, and taking advantage of the drought we have at
> times.
So there is no specific information on this just an allegation. I was
hoping to learn something new.
>>> water become artificially scarce, because now you havent got any
>>> water, they start charging for it, when it used to be free.
>>
>> Water is not an infinite resource. The only way to get a sensible
>> water policy and cost effective water use is if it has a reasonable
>> value. If it seems "free" to some people (nothing is ever really
>> free) it is overused and used on things because the opportunity is
>> there not because there is a good business case for doing it that
>> way.
> Youre talking crap when we let corperations use it to drive out small
> stake holders. Water is being used. If you know American history its
> happening again in Australia. Water is being used to screw farmers.
If you want to know more about why I think a resource cannot be "free" look
up the tragedy of the commons. If it has a price it has a price for
everybody including the giants and the little bloke. If it has no price it
will be used up as fast as possible before somebody else gets to it. In
this respect having no price is an advantage to the big corps because they
are in a position to exploit it faster than the small farmer.
What evidence do you have that water is being used to drive out farmers?
>>
>>> Any one want to stop breathing, as youre consuming my oxygen and
>>> breathing out CO2.
>>> Oh yes wasn't that part of the Carbon tax they were going to put on
>>> us all?
>>
>> Are you voicing an objection to two policies here or is there a
>> connection between water policy and carbon tax?
> You cant see this? Are you somehow being misled regarding Climate
> change, water policy and attempts to gain advantages over small land
> holders?
So you are saying the two are related. Well explain it to me, what is going
on here, let's have more details.
David
Posted by Jonno on January 26, 2010, 6:01 am
Only work daylight hours?
On 26/01/2010 2:40 PM, David Hare-Scott wrote:
> Steve wrote:
>> Water drill ban has farmers fuming
>> http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2010/01/26/2801387.htm?section=justin
>>
> I can see how this sudden announcement would be gauling if you were
> relying on that resource.
>> First they take the opportunity to stop building dams, then as it
> Sorry I am not familiar with QLD dam building policy. What
> opportunity is this? What dams is the QLD government not building?
>> water become artificially scarce, becuase now you havent got any
>> water, they start charging for it, when it used to be free.
> Water is not an infinite resource. The only way to get a sensible
> water policy and cost effective water use is if it has a reasonable
> value. If it seems "free" to some people (nothing is ever really
> free) it is overused and used on things because the opportunity is
> there not because there is a good business case for doing it that way.
>> Any one want to stop breathing, as youre consuming my oxygen and
>> breathing out CO2.
>> Oh yes wasn't that part of the Carbon tax they were going to put on
>> us all?
> Are you voicing an objection to two policies here or is there a
> connection between water policy and carbon tax?
> David
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Posted by FarmI on January 26, 2010, 6:34 am
> Water drill ban has farmers fuming
> http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2010/01/26/2801387.htm?section=justin
> First they take the opportunity to stop building dams, then as it water
> become artificially scarce, becuase now you havent got any water, they
> start charging for it, when it used to be free.
Qld isn't the only place where paying for water has happened.
I remember that there used to be a 'free' water amount in the rates and you
only paid 'excess' once you went over the 'free' component. These days, my
daughter, who lives where we used to get that 'free' component, now has to
pay for ever litre of water used.
> Any one want to stop breathing, as youre consuming my oxygen and
> breathing out CO2.
> Oh yes wasn't that part of the Carbon tax they were going to put on us
> all?
Irony noted.
> Well that's their attitude. Who? The Governments we have voted in. Its
> time for another party.
You haven't been paying attention if you think there is any real difference.
I don't see any real reason for change of parties yet (other than your
personal political preference). I'm sure that an urgent need for change
will arise in either the next term or the one after that as governments of
every political persuasion are just like underwear: they need to be changed
often to keep them fresh and doing the job they're supposed to do.
So far I'm disappointed in Krudd's government but then I always said the
worst thing about the Howard government was that they were flea training any
future incoming gvernment and Krudd certainly learned from watching the
appalling manipulation by Howard of the Australian voter.
Howard treated Joe Voter as if he was stupid by making no loud noises or
sudden moves. His manipulation of the voting public kept voters feeling
'relaxed and comfortable' and not using their brains to actually think about
anything important. It meant his government effectively got away with doing
sod all for a whole 11 years at a time when we were going through a boom.
What a bloody waste when they could have done something effective about the
aging infrastucture of this country.
Posted by Jonno on January 27, 2010, 1:09 am
Agreed on all points.
On 26/01/2010 10:34 PM, FarmI wrote:
>
>> Water drill ban has farmers fuming
>> http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2010/01/26/2801387.htm?section=justin
>>
>> First they take the opportunity to stop building dams, then as it water
>> become artificially scarce, becuase now you havent got any water, they
>> start charging for it, when it used to be free.
>>
> Qld isn't the only place where paying for water has happened.
> I remember that there used to be a 'free' water amount in the rates and you
> only paid 'excess' once you went over the 'free' component. These days, my
> daughter, who lives where we used to get that 'free' component, now has to
> pay for ever litre of water used.
>
>> Any one want to stop breathing, as youre consuming my oxygen and
>> breathing out CO2.
>> Oh yes wasn't that part of the Carbon tax they were going to put on us
>> all?
>>
> Irony noted.
>
>> Well that's their attitude. Who? The Governments we have voted in. Its
>> time for another party.
>>
> You haven't been paying attention if you think there is any real difference.
> I don't see any real reason for change of parties yet (other than your
> personal political preference). I'm sure that an urgent need for change
> will arise in either the next term or the one after that as governments of
> every political persuasion are just like underwear: they need to be changed
> often to keep them fresh and doing the job they're supposed to do.
> So far I'm disappointed in Krudd's government but then I always said the
> worst thing about the Howard government was that they were flea training any
> future incoming gvernment and Krudd certainly learned from watching the
> appalling manipulation by Howard of the Australian voter.
> Howard treated Joe Voter as if he was stupid by making no loud noises or
> sudden moves. His manipulation of the voting public kept voters feeling
> 'relaxed and comfortable' and not using their brains to actually think about
> anything important. It meant his government effectively got away with doing
> sod all for a whole 11 years at a time when we were going through a boom.
> What a bloody waste when they could have done something effective about the
> aging infrastucture of this country.
>
--
>> Steve wrote:
>>> Water drill ban has farmers fuming
>>> http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2010/01/26/2801387.htm?section=justin
>>>
>>
>> I can see how this sudden announcement would be gauling if you were
>> relying on that resource.
>> You mean Galling.