Posted by David Hare-Scott on February 14, 2010, 5:34 pm
Rod Speed wrote:
> David Hare-Scott wrote
>> Rod Speed wrote
>>> David Hare-Scott wrote
>>>> Rod Speed wrote
>>>>> FarmI wrote
>>>>>>>> Jeßus wrote
>>>>>>>>> Based on past experiences, I tend to agree with the lady
>>>>>>>>> author you know.
>>>>>>>>> Hard to put into words why - perhaps it just 'beds down'
>>>>>>>>> better compared to the stiffer, fresher/bulkier material and so
>>>>>>>>> forms
>>>>>>>>> a more effective covering, whilst at the same time providing
>>>>>>>>> some organic material, bacteria etc. to the soil more quickly?
>>>>>>>> Is what you you are using straw of hay? The two are not the
>>>>>>>> same, they come form different sources, have different content
>>>>>>>> and behave differently.
>>>>>>> Hmm... :)
>>>>>>> Well, So far I've been using a random mixture of small
>>>>>>> quantities of straw/hay since moving here rather than a
>>>>>>> consistent type of hay or straw from a regular source. I'll be
>>>>>>> ordering a large amount pretty soon though.
>>>>>>> I *have* recently used a few bales of fresh 'oat straw', which
>>>>>>> I've found is good to protect freshly transplanted plants
>>>>>>> (especially sensitive young seedlings) from the sun and wind.
>>>>>> All seedlings will do better with some mulch rather than none.
>>>>> Thats very arguable if you dont care about the water use.
>>>> I don't want to argue for the sake of it but even if you have an
>>>> infinite supply of cheap water you cannot always be there to apply
>>>> it and timers do not adapt to weather conditions unless you have a
>>>> very sophisticated setup with moisture sensors.
>>> The only real effect of that is to use more water that you didnt
>>> actually need to apply.
>> I don't understand this.
> OK.
>> Are you saying that mulch causes you to use more water?
> Nope, that the worst a less sophisticated setup with no moisture
> sensors does is waste some water that did not need to have been
> applied.
>> Please explain.
> Just did, Pauline.
>>>> Mulch will help retain moisture
>>> Yes, but that doesnt matter if you dont care about the water you
>>> use.
>> I haven't yet found a situation where I don't care how much water I
>> used, when are you in this situation?
> When the extra water doesnt cost you a cent.
>>>> and cool the soil, both are useful,
>>> Not necessarily.
>> What do you mean?
> Cooler soil isnt always desirable.
>>>> without attention.
>>>> Also as mulch degrades it feeds the soil and improves its texture.
>>> It can also make things worse.
>> How? When?
> When the decomposition of the mulch uses up nutrients etc.
> It can also be a haven for undesirable pests and diseases as well.
I now understand much more about you and your odd posting style, no further
explanation is required thankyou.
David
Posted by Rod Speed on February 14, 2010, 8:06 pm
David Hare-Scott wrote
> Rod Speed wrote
>> David Hare-Scott wrote
>>> Rod Speed wrote
>>>> David Hare-Scott wrote
>>>>> Rod Speed wrote
>>>>>> FarmI wrote
>>>>>>>>> Jeßus wrote
>>>>>>>>>> Based on past experiences, I tend to agree with the lady author you
know.
>>>>>>>>>> Hard to put into words why - perhaps it just 'beds down' better
compared to the stiffer, fresher/bulkier
>>>>>>>>>> material and so forms
>>>>>>>>>> a more effective covering, whilst at the same time providing
>>>>>>>>>> some organic material, bacteria etc. to the soil more quickly?
>>>>>>>>> Is what you you are using straw of hay? The two are not the
>>>>>>>>> same, they come form different sources, have different content
>>>>>>>>> and behave differently.
>>>>>>>> Hmm... :)
>>>>>>>> Well, So far I've been using a random mixture of small
>>>>>>>> quantities of straw/hay since moving here rather than a
>>>>>>>> consistent type of hay or straw from a regular source. I'll be ordering
a large amount pretty soon though.
>>>>>>>> I *have* recently used a few bales of fresh 'oat straw', which
>>>>>>>> I've found is good to protect freshly transplanted plants
>>>>>>>> (especially sensitive young seedlings) from the sun and wind.
>>>>>>> All seedlings will do better with some mulch rather than none.
>>>>>> Thats very arguable if you dont care about the water use.
>>>>> I don't want to argue for the sake of it but even if you have an
>>>>> infinite supply of cheap water you cannot always be there to apply
>>>>> it and timers do not adapt to weather conditions unless you have a
>>>>> very sophisticated setup with moisture sensors.
>>>> The only real effect of that is to use more water that you didnt
>>>> actually need to apply.
>>> I don't understand this.
>> OK.
>>> Are you saying that mulch causes you to use more water?
>> Nope, that the worst a less sophisticated setup with no moisture sensors does
is waste some water that did not need
>> to have been applied.
>>> Please explain.
>> Just did, Pauline.
>>>>> Mulch will help retain moisture
>>>> Yes, but that doesnt matter if you dont care about the water you use.
>>> I haven't yet found a situation where I don't care how much water I used,
when are you in this situation?
>> When the extra water doesnt cost you a cent.
>>>>> and cool the soil, both are useful,
>>>> Not necessarily.
>>> What do you mean?
>> Cooler soil isnt always desirable.
>>>>> without attention.
>>>>> Also as mulch degrades it feeds the soil and improves its texture.
>>>> It can also make things worse.
>>> How? When?
>> When the decomposition of the mulch uses up nutrients etc.
>> It can also be a haven for undesirable pests and diseases as well.
> I now understand much more about you and your odd posting style,
Nothing odd about it.
> no further explanation is required thankyou.
OK.
Posted by FarmI on February 14, 2010, 9:40 pm
> Rod Speed wrote utter rubbish whihc has been largely snipped.
>> When the decomposition of the mulch uses up nutrients etc.
>>
>> It can also be a haven for undesirable pests and diseases as well.
> I now understand much more about you and your odd posting style, no
> further explanation is required thankyou.
Yep. Another one who needs to be dropped into the Bozo bin.
Posted by woka on February 14, 2010, 11:28 pm
FarmI wrote:
>> Rod Speed wrote utter rubbish whihc has been largely snipped.
>>> When the decomposition of the mulch uses up nutrients etc.
>>>
>>> It can also be a haven for undesirable pests and diseases as well.
>>
>> I now understand much more about you and your odd posting style, no
>> further explanation is required thankyou.
> Yep. Another one who needs to be dropped into the Bozo bin.
Fat lot of good that will do you, gutless.
Posted by David Hare-Scott on February 14, 2010, 11:49 pm
woka wrote:
> FarmI wrote:
>>> Rod Speed wrote utter rubbish whihc has been largely snipped.
>>
>>
>>>> When the decomposition of the mulch uses up nutrients etc.
>>>>
>>>> It can also be a haven for undesirable pests and diseases as well.
>>>
>>> I now understand much more about you and your odd posting style, no
>>> further explanation is required thankyou.
>>
>> Yep. Another one who needs to be dropped into the Bozo bin.
> Fat lot of good that will do you, gutless.
It is interesting that your first post to this thread and to this NG (at
least in recent times) should be of this nature.
I wonder is there any chance at all you might contribute something about
gardens? I wouldn't think so.
David
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>> Rod Speed wrote
>>> David Hare-Scott wrote
>>>> Rod Speed wrote
>>>>> FarmI wrote
>>>>>>>> Jeßus wrote
>>>>>>>>> Based on past experiences, I tend to agree with the lady
>>>>>>>>> author you know.
>>>>>>>>> Hard to put into words why - perhaps it just 'beds down'
>>>>>>>>> better compared to the stiffer, fresher/bulkier material and so
>>>>>>>>> forms
>>>>>>>>> a more effective covering, whilst at the same time providing
>>>>>>>>> some organic material, bacteria etc. to the soil more quickly?
>>>>>>>> Is what you you are using straw of hay? The two are not the
>>>>>>>> same, they come form different sources, have different content
>>>>>>>> and behave differently.
>>>>>>> Hmm... :)
>>>>>>> Well, So far I've been using a random mixture of small
>>>>>>> quantities of straw/hay since moving here rather than a
>>>>>>> consistent type of hay or straw from a regular source. I'll be
>>>>>>> ordering a large amount pretty soon though.
>>>>>>> I *have* recently used a few bales of fresh 'oat straw', which
>>>>>>> I've found is good to protect freshly transplanted plants
>>>>>>> (especially sensitive young seedlings) from the sun and wind.
>>>>>> All seedlings will do better with some mulch rather than none.
>>>>> Thats very arguable if you dont care about the water use.
>>>> I don't want to argue for the sake of it but even if you have an
>>>> infinite supply of cheap water you cannot always be there to apply
>>>> it and timers do not adapt to weather conditions unless you have a
>>>> very sophisticated setup with moisture sensors.
>>> The only real effect of that is to use more water that you didnt
>>> actually need to apply.
>> I don't understand this.
> OK.
>> Are you saying that mulch causes you to use more water?
> Nope, that the worst a less sophisticated setup with no moisture
> sensors does is waste some water that did not need to have been
> applied.
>> Please explain.
> Just did, Pauline.
>>>> Mulch will help retain moisture
>>> Yes, but that doesnt matter if you dont care about the water you
>>> use.
>> I haven't yet found a situation where I don't care how much water I
>> used, when are you in this situation?
> When the extra water doesnt cost you a cent.
>>>> and cool the soil, both are useful,
>>> Not necessarily.
>> What do you mean?
> Cooler soil isnt always desirable.
>>>> without attention.
>>>> Also as mulch degrades it feeds the soil and improves its texture.
>>> It can also make things worse.
>> How? When?
> When the decomposition of the mulch uses up nutrients etc.
> It can also be a haven for undesirable pests and diseases as well.