Posted by 0tterbot on March 1, 2010, 5:37 pm
>> ahem.
>> yes. we are adding as much organic matter as possible when all factors
>> are considered,and i HAVE been finding the soil is getting better &
>> darker & there are many more worms, but as you know it all takes time. by
>> "not my thing" i meant adding trace elements,
> Yep, I had figured that, but given impoverished soil and a constant
> struggle, it could be worth thinking about. It's not as if it's a poison
> or taking on board the whole raft of chemical growing. I garden, most of
> the time, organically but I never call myself an organic gardener as that
> removes the possibility of the other world where occasionally there are
> products I might just use.
i must confess i use zero from time to time on weeds in the paths (although
i'm apparently converting to vinegar ;-) although that's the only thing.
even so, many of my friends don't know this!!! <g>
anyway, back to the soil problem. that what why i got to thinking about the
bio preparations. which i'm still thinking about. it's true that i'd feel a
twit carefully stirring clockwise x times & so forth, but then again i've
seen what they can do.
in further news!!! dh found some little potimarron* lurking on the
potimarron vines!!! and the pumpkin (dutch crookneck) has finally made 2
female flowers. if the frost holds off, we should at least get a couple of
potimarron i hope. i don't know if the frost will hold off or not. fingers
crossed.
kylie
* many people don't know these - they are the king of french pumpkins. i'm
not really a pumpkin person so it's all a bit lost on me, but they're the
pumpkin-lovers' delight.
Posted by FarmI on March 2, 2010, 6:08 am
>>> ahem.
>>> yes. we are adding as much organic matter as possible when all factors
>>> are considered,and i HAVE been finding the soil is getting better &
>>> darker & there are many more worms, but as you know it all takes time.
>>> by "not my thing" i meant adding trace elements,
>>
>> Yep, I had figured that, but given impoverished soil and a constant
>> struggle, it could be worth thinking about. It's not as if it's a poison
>> or taking on board the whole raft of chemical growing. I garden, most of
>> the time, organically but I never call myself an organic gardener as that
>> removes the possibility of the other world where occasionally there are
>> products I might just use.
> i must confess i use zero from time to time on weeds in the paths
> (although i'm apparently converting to vinegar ;-) although that's the
> only thing. even so, many of my friends don't know this!!! <g>
:-)) Well given the noxious weed value of some of Oz's weeds, we have to
use herbicides around the place and I have my own personal 5 L container. I
should say that it only contains a dribble in the bottom and I've only ever
asked once in about the last 10 years for a redribble from Himself's farm
supply so I don't use a lot of it. I do also own a small container of
tree/blackberry killer and I've only ever used that applied with a paint
brush.
> anyway, back to the soil problem. that what why i got to thinking about
> the bio preparations. which i'm still thinking about. it's true that i'd
> feel a twit carefully stirring clockwise x times & so forth, but then
> again i've seen what they can do.
I must admit that I've only ever read about it and never seen it but would
like to. I know some quite hard bitten farmers seem to think it has some
power of good and I know that Phillip Adams's farm (or is it his wife's
farm) is run on bio lines and Phillip is enough of a sceptic to make me
wonder about it too.
> in further news!!! dh found some little potimarron* lurking on the
> potimarron vines!!!
What the....?
and the pumpkin (dutch crookneck) has finally made 2
> female flowers. if the frost holds off, we should at least get a couple of
> potimarron i hope. i don't know if the frost will hold off or not. fingers
> crossed.
Yep - it's getting rather nippy already :-((( It'll be a bit longer yet
before my rockmelons are ripe so I must hunt out some old windows to put
over them.
> kylie
> * many people don't know these - they are the king of french pumpkins. i'm
> not really a pumpkin person so it's all a bit lost on me, but they're the
> pumpkin-lovers' delight.
Ah - so that's what they are. Where do you get your unusual seeds from.
Posted by 0tterbot on March 24, 2010, 11:46 pm
>> * many people don't know these - they are the king of french pumpkins.
>> i'm not really a pumpkin person so it's all a bit lost on me, but they're
>> the pumpkin-lovers' delight.
> Ah - so that's what they are. Where do you get your unusual seeds from.
they're not unusual within the french-speaking community round here (and
presumably elsewhere) :-) i will give you some! conrad the veggie man also
sells them sometimes, but i'm not sure about this year(?)
diggers, eden, & some of those people have seeds which have unfortunately
become unusual these days (this is why i think they provide a valuable
service). i reckon people who are REALLY into heirloom flowers & veg would
benefit greatly from joining the seed-savers network (i save some seed but
truthfully i don't have quite that level of interest or commitment - i just
want to feed myself & family).
i have a few gardening friends who've given me some nice things too - it
would be good to join or create a really devoted & enthusiastic veggie
gardener's club (i reckon).
kylie
Posted by FarmI on March 25, 2010, 6:00 pm
>>> * many people don't know these - they are the king of french pumpkins.
>>> i'm not really a pumpkin person so it's all a bit lost on me, but
>>> they're the pumpkin-lovers' delight.
>>
>> Ah - so that's what they are. Where do you get your unusual seeds from.
> they're not unusual within the french-speaking community round here (and
> presumably elsewhere) :-) i will give you some! conrad the veggie man also
> sells them sometimes, but i'm not sure about this year(?)
> diggers, eden, & some of those people have seeds which have unfortunately
> become unusual these days (this is why i think they provide a valuable
> service). i reckon people who are REALLY into heirloom flowers & veg would
> benefit greatly from joining the seed-savers network (i save some seed but
> truthfully i don't have quite that level of interest or commitment - i
> just want to feed myself & family).
> i have a few gardening friends who've given me some nice things too - it
> would be good to join or create a really devoted & enthusiastic veggie
> gardener's club (i reckon).
Speaking of seed saving, I've just been saving bean and cucumber seeds so
dug out my seed saving books. the American one 'Seed to seed' gives me the
poops, whereas the Aussie on done by Michel and Jude Fanton is just the bees
whiskers.
But yes, I agree with you about the veggie growers club. I'm part of a
network of gardeners like that here but it's an underground thing really.
Posted by 0tterbot on April 2, 2010, 10:32 pm
>> i have a few gardening friends who've given me some nice things too - it
>> would be good to join or create a really devoted & enthusiastic veggie
>> gardener's club (i reckon).
> Speaking of seed saving, I've just been saving bean and cucumber seeds so
> dug out my seed saving books. the American one 'Seed to seed' gives me
> the poops, whereas the Aussie on done by Michel and Jude Fanton is just
> the bees whiskers.
i agree, _that_ is an excellent book (indeed it's the only seed saving book
i even have).
> But yes, I agree with you about the veggie growers club. I'm part of a
> network of gardeners like that here but it's an underground thing really.
i think that's what tends to happen, it would just be nice to have lots of
organised, involved people all in it together & have public meetings. or
something. actually, what am i saying? :-)
i have some spare potimarron seed with your name on it!!
kylie
>> yes. we are adding as much organic matter as possible when all factors
>> are considered,and i HAVE been finding the soil is getting better &
>> darker & there are many more worms, but as you know it all takes time. by
>> "not my thing" i meant adding trace elements,
> Yep, I had figured that, but given impoverished soil and a constant
> struggle, it could be worth thinking about. It's not as if it's a poison
> or taking on board the whole raft of chemical growing. I garden, most of
> the time, organically but I never call myself an organic gardener as that
> removes the possibility of the other world where occasionally there are
> products I might just use.