>> >>> You have McDonalds, and Burger King but you don't have high fructose >>> corn syrup? Do your packaging laws require ingredients to be listed? >> >>ah you've got me there! > Hey Kylie, > Don't know if this means much to ya, but Billy is one one of the good > guys, as far as we yanks go, likely you already gathered this, though > he takes a larger hat size than I, methinks. ;-)
well, i thought that - he is being perfectly pleasant! ("ah, you've got me
there" generally means "i'm not sure if i can answer your question or not"
in my tiny world. with a secondary meaning (not intended in this case) of
"you've beaten me, you cad!!"). just in case that was worrying you ;-)
> I'll butt out now, just interjecting a good word for my cobber.
who the hell ever says "cobber" any more??! jesus!!
<g>
kylie
Posted by Billy on May 1, 2008, 8:50 pm
> > > You have McDonalds, and Burger King but you don't have high fructose > > corn syrup? Do your packaging laws require ingredients to be listed? > > ah you've got me there! > > i said corn syrup is rare (not "nonexistent" :-) you would most likely find > it in imported processed things from time to time i think, but i can't > comment because i don't buy that sort of thing much - i think it's in > nutella for example, is it not?
Oh god, have we screwed that up too? Nutella was originally from France,
I think. The German counterpart is Nussnugat. We have already screwed up
croissants and turned them into bread crescents.
> > processed australian food has cane sugar in it, as a rule (i buy as locally > as is reasonable, so i do know that! ... is this a bad time to confess i've > been known to buy french mustard & french jam? ;-)
Hard to beat Bonne Mamam and real Dijon mustard can knock your nose off
and bring tears to your eyes. Both are good eats ;-))
> > i believe that fast food companies are obliged to supply a nutritional > breakdown on their products (or in the store?), but i'm really not sure if > that means the classic ingredients list by proportion _as well_. i have no > idea about this because we never go to mcdonalds ever, & only to hungry > jack's (as burger king is called) pretty rarely. because i feel quietly > confident that hungry jack's is probably pretty much filth, i've never > bothered to find out the exact contents (i just don't want to know ;-)
McDonads in Germany is better than the stomach wadding that they fob off
on us here. Tasted like real meat but then again it was Germany. Classic
American taste is no taste at all. Hold over from Puritan times I think.
If it tasted good or pleased the flesh, it must be sinful because it
distracts from our spiritual mission on Earth, which is to burn and kill
the witches and heathen.
> > i'm under the impression that big fast-food enterprises tend to use local > ingredients for most of their stuff (you couldn't possibly justify importing > buns, lettuce, meat, etc for example) but when it comes to that scary > snot-like substance they make thickshakes out of, i just don't know.
Don't even ask about their secret sauces:-(
> > we don't grow much corn here at all, commercially. that which is grown is > either sold fresh or canned or frozen afaik. in the north-east, there is A > LOT of sugar cane grown. the whole ethanol thing was going to revolve around > sugar cane here, rather than corn. (now that everyone worldwide is shocked > at the really quite bad idea of giving up food-land to make bio-fuels > instead, i am not sure what is happening there, but that wasn't your > question anyway.) > kylie
Thanks for leaving the question, I'd forgotten that I had asked one.
Here, in 'Merica, prepared foods usually list their ingredients in order
of quantity from greatest to least. Water, and corn syrup are often
among the first ingredients.
If you forget to answer it's OK. I'll probably forget again that I
asked;-)
>> i said corn syrup is rare (not "nonexistent" :-) you would most likely >> find >> it in imported processed things from time to time i think, but i can't >> comment because i don't buy that sort of thing much - i think it's in >> nutella for example, is it not? > Oh god, have we screwed that up too?
oh get over yourself!!!! <g> the u.s. is not the ruination of civilisation
everywhere ffs ;-) it doesn't have that much power.
Nutella was originally from France,
> I think. The German counterpart is Nussnugat. We have already screwed up > croissants and turned them into bread crescents.
see above. nice croissants are available worldwide (3 cheers for the
french!). of course it is laughable that americans call them crescents, but
then, it doesn't keep me (or the french) up at night.
>> processed australian food has cane sugar in it, as a rule (i buy as >> locally >> as is reasonable, so i do know that! ... is this a bad time to confess >> i've >> been known to buy french mustard & french jam? ;-) > Hard to beat Bonne Mamam and real Dijon mustard can knock your nose off > and bring tears to your eyes. Both are good eats ;-))
c'est ça, exactement. i don't have a greenhouse problem with little imported
treats from time to time if it's something really GOOD. new zealand does
dairy very, very well & it's hard to know what to do sometimes which would
be the "right" thing. sigh! it is a curse to be informed, sometimes.
> McDonads in Germany is better than the stomach wadding that they fob off > on us here. Tasted like real meat but then again it was Germany. Classic > American taste is no taste at all. Hold over from Puritan times I think. > If it tasted good or pleased the flesh, it must be sinful because it > distracts from our spiritual mission on Earth, which is to burn and kill > the witches and heathen.
also beware of sex - i have it on good authority that it may lead to
DANCING.
> Thanks for leaving the question, I'd forgotten that I had asked one. > Here, in 'Merica, prepared foods usually list their ingredients in order > of quantity from greatest to least.
yes, that is the standard practice. on a take-away product, though, that
doesn't apply for some reason (for one thing, it's hardly practical).
Water, and corn syrup are often
> among the first ingredients.
for an equivalent here, that would be water & cane sugar. but at the end of
the day, if you're eating loads of sugar or loads of corn syrup, it's
probably an equally bad idea, really. however, i choose lovely sugar over
creepy aspartame every time :-)
kylie
Posted by Billy on May 5, 2008, 11:35 pm
> > >> i said corn syrup is rare (not "nonexistent" :-) you would most likely > >> find > >> it in imported processed things from time to time i think, but i can't > >> comment because i don't buy that sort of thing much - i think it's in > >> nutella for example, is it not? > > Oh god, have we screwed that up too? > > oh get over yourself!!!! <g> the u.s. is not the ruination of civilisation > everywhere ffs ;-) it doesn't have that much power.
Not everywhere, just where I eat. We have this Ile de France Brie
cheese, made in New Jersey and tastes like wax. The faux
croissants are either wonder bread in crescent shapes, or dripping
of oil (probably soy). Croissants that shatter into hundreds of
toasted shards with a center of airy french bread are rare and not
easily found. But having found one, Nutella, and Bonne Mamam are the
perfect condiments to serve with them, along with a strong cup of
coffee. (We call it French roast, the French call it Italian roast, and
the Italians call it coffee.)
No we haven't ruined it everywhere but most Americans never get a
chance to taste what real food can be. We get new combinations of
confected wheat, corn syrup and corn fractions, soy oil, and salt,
and it gets called, new and improved.
> > Nutella was originally from France, > > I think. The German counterpart is Nussnugat. We have already screwed up > > croissants and turned them into bread crescents. > > see above. nice croissants are available worldwide (3 cheers for the > french!). of course it is laughable that americans call them crescents, but > then, it doesn't keep me (or the french) up at night. > > >> processed australian food has cane sugar in it, as a rule (i buy as > >> locally > >> as is reasonable, so i do know that! ... is this a bad time to confess > >> i've > >> been known to buy french mustard & french jam? ;-) > > Hard to beat Bonne Mamam and real Dijon mustard can knock your nose off > > and bring tears to your eyes. Both are good eats ;-)) > > c'est ça, exactement. i don't have a greenhouse problem with little imported > treats from time to time if it's something really GOOD. new zealand does > dairy very, very well & it's hard to know what to do sometimes which would > be the "right" thing. sigh! it is a curse to be informed, sometimes.
I know. Can't see the forest for the trees. Too many divergent opinions.
> > > McDonads in Germany is better than the stomach wadding that they fob off > > on us here. Tasted like real meat but then again it was Germany. Classic > > American taste is no taste at all. Hold over from Puritan times I think. > > If it tasted good or pleased the flesh, it must be sinful because it > > distracts from our spiritual mission on Earth, which is to burn and kill > > the witches and heathen. > > also beware of sex - i have it on good authority that it may lead to > DANCING.
One good sweat deserves another.
You may like the Japanese DVD "Shall We Dance?"
> > > Thanks for leaving the question, I'd forgotten that I had asked one. > > Here, in 'Merica, prepared foods usually list their ingredients in order > > of quantity from greatest to least. > > yes, that is the standard practice. on a take-away product, though, that > doesn't apply for some reason (for one thing, it's hardly practical).
Same here, restaurants and fast food vendors never tell you what your
eating. A salad can have more calories than a 1/4 lb. hamburger with
cheese.
> > Water, and corn syrup are often > > among the first ingredients. > > for an equivalent here, that would be water & cane sugar. but at the end of > the day, if you're eating loads of sugar or loads of corn syrup, it's > probably an equally bad idea, really. however, i choose lovely sugar over > creepy aspartame every time :-)
One of the problems with corn syrup is that it doesn't satiate.
You don't know that you've had enough. I would probably take the
admittedly creepy aspartame over corn syrup. But then that is a
lot like our election, choosing the least bad. I'm going to vote
for some third party candidate because the Democrat will take
California anyway, and to assure that a third party gets federal
funds to stay viable. The Republicrats are an opportunistic
embarrassment.
> kylie
Thanks for the "chin wag".
--
Billy
Posted by 0tterbot on May 8, 2008, 8:07 pm
>> oh get over yourself!!!! <g> the u.s. is not the ruination of >> civilisation >> everywhere ffs ;-) it doesn't have that much power. > Not everywhere, just where I eat. We have this Ile de France Brie > cheese, made in New Jersey and tastes like wax. The faux > croissants are either wonder bread in crescent shapes, or dripping > of oil (probably soy). Croissants that shatter into hundreds of > toasted shards with a center of airy french bread are rare and not > easily found. But having found one, Nutella, and Bonne Mamam are the > perfect condiments to serve with them, along with a strong cup of > coffee. (We call it French roast, the French call it Italian roast, and > the Italians call it coffee.) > No we haven't ruined it everywhere but most Americans never get a > chance to taste what real food can be. We get new combinations of > confected wheat, corn syrup and corn fractions, soy oil, and salt, > and it gets called, new and improved.
what about people who know their food? what do they do? foodies might be a
small proportion of the populace, but what are they eating? (imports???)
what about the really good restaurants?
we are very lucky where we are: despite being in the country, you can get
wonderful food, excellent local bread, etc etc. weird though it might sound,
often in country australia the food is awful due to lack of foodies to up
the ante. that seems to be changing a lot now, thank heavens, you can get a
nice espresso in the most surprising places.
when bill bryson came to write his (only slightly erroneous) book about
australia he remarked on how good the food was everywhere he went, which
made me speculate that american food must really be woeful if he can get
better stuff in a flyspeck town in woop-woop :-)
had a conversation with a lady online at a different group who was still
huffy (several years after the event) that some frenchwoman in the u.s. had
remarked that food is much better in france. i opined that, on the balance
of probability, there was no chance that food was better in the u.s. & the
frenchwoman must have been correct & she could get over it now. but her
outrage and denial were not to be stopped :-)
she was from california where food is probably better.
> One of the problems with corn syrup is that it doesn't satiate. > You don't know that you've had enough.
it sounds a really bizarre substance.
I would probably take the
> admittedly creepy aspartame over corn syrup. But then that is a > lot like our election, choosing the least bad. I'm going to vote > for some third party candidate because the Democrat will take > California anyway, and to assure that a third party gets federal > funds to stay viable. The Republicrats are an opportunistic > embarrassment. >> kylie > Thanks for the "chin wag".
you too.
i can't watch your videos as my dial-up is far too slow for video.
kylie
>>> You have McDonalds, and Burger King but you don't have high fructose
>>> corn syrup? Do your packaging laws require ingredients to be listed?
>>
>>ah you've got me there!
> Hey Kylie,
> Don't know if this means much to ya, but Billy is one one of the good
> guys, as far as we yanks go, likely you already gathered this, though
> he takes a larger hat size than I, methinks. ;-)