Urban Forestry, Oxymoron

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Urban Forestry, Oxymoron symplastless 03-27-2008
Posted by symplastless on March 27, 2008, 10:08 pm
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History of the term.
During the early to mid 1970's, elm disease was ravaging the northeastern
states. The people wanted something done by the federal government, and
fast. Senators and Congressmen from several states, especially Michigan,
Wisconsin, and Minnesota passed a bill giving a large amount of money to
help ease the spread of the tree disease. The agricultural research service
said that naturally all the funds would come to them because the elm disease
was an urban problem and they dealt with urban plant problems. The U. S.
Forest Service said, not so fast, and said they took care of trees
everywhere, so they should get the funds. A scramble for the funds went on
until the "big" guys stepped in and said why not both. So the urban part
would be for the one group and the forest part for the other group. To this
day, few people not only do not know this story, but even fewer have thought
about the name. We do know that several people tried to define the oxymoron
but it never got settled. Few really cared so long as the money flowed.
The use of it proves the lack of understanding of what of forest is. Forest
are not a group of trees, especially a group of planted trees. Forest are
systems, and you cannot plant a system! Forest are really natural systems
made up of trees, associates and abiotic parts, connected in such highly
ordered ways that so long as energy comes in, all members have equal
opportunities to repeat. YOU CANNOT HAVE AN URBAN FOREST!!!! 33-47

--
Sincerely,
John A. Keslick, Jr.
Consulting Forester & Tree Expert
http://home.ccil.org/~treeman
and www.treedictionary.com
Beware of so-called tree experts who do not understand tree biology.
Storms, fires, floods, earthquakes, and volcanic eruptions keep reminding us
that we are not the boss.



Posted by Don Staples on March 28, 2008, 10:14 am
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> History of the term.
> During the early to mid 1970's, elm disease was ravaging the northeastern
> states. The people wanted something done by the federal government, and
> fast. Senators and Congressmen from several states, especially Michigan,
> Wisconsin, and Minnesota passed a bill giving a large amount of money to
> help ease the spread of the tree disease. The agricultural research
> service said that naturally all the funds would come to them because the
> elm disease was an urban problem and they dealt with urban plant problems.
> The U. S. Forest Service said, not so fast, and said they took care of
> trees everywhere, so they should get the funds. A scramble for the funds
> went on until the "big" guys stepped in and said why not both. So the
> urban part would be for the one group and the forest part for the other
> group. To this day, few people not only do not know this story, but even
> fewer have thought about the name. We do know that several people tried
> to define the oxymoron but it never got settled. Few really cared so long
> as the money flowed. The use of it proves the lack of understanding of
> what of forest is. Forest are not a group of trees, especially a group of
> planted trees. Forest are systems, and you cannot plant a system! Forest
> are really natural systems made up of trees, associates and abiotic parts,
> connected in such highly ordered ways that so long as energy comes in, all
> members have equal opportunities to repeat. YOU CANNOT HAVE AN URBAN
> FOREST!!!! 33-47
>
> --
> Sincerely,
> John A. Keslick, Jr.
> Consulting buttercup
> http://home.ccil.org/~treeman
> and www.treedictionary.com
> Beware of so-called tree experts who do not understand tree biology.
> Storms, fires, floods, earthquakes, and volcanic eruptions keep reminding
> us that we are not the boss.
>
>

Nonsense


Posted by Jangchub on March 28, 2008, 8:51 pm
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On Thu, 27 Mar 2008 22:08:05 -0400, "symplastless"

>History of the term.
>During the early to mid 1970's, elm disease was ravaging the northeastern
>states. The people wanted something done by the federal government, and
>fast. Senators and Congressmen from several states, especially Michigan,
>Wisconsin, and Minnesota passed a bill giving a large amount of money to
>help ease the spread of the tree disease. The agricultural research service
>said that naturally all the funds would come to them because the elm disease
>was an urban problem and they dealt with urban plant problems. The U. S.
>Forest Service said, not so fast, and said they took care of trees
>everywhere, so they should get the funds. A scramble for the funds went on
>until the "big" guys stepped in and said why not both. So the urban part
>would be for the one group and the forest part for the other group. To this
>day, few people not only do not know this story, but even fewer have thought
>about the name. We do know that several people tried to define the oxymoron
>but it never got settled. Few really cared so long as the money flowed.
>The use of it proves the lack of understanding of what of forest is. Forest
>are not a group of trees, especially a group of planted trees. Forest are
>systems, and you cannot plant a system! Forest are really natural systems
>made up of trees, associates and abiotic parts, connected in such highly
>ordered ways that so long as energy comes in, all members have equal
>opportunities to repeat. YOU CANNOT HAVE AN URBAN FOREST!!!! 33-47

Don't tell that to Central or Prospect Park.

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