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Re: Pepper saga.......... Pepper expert anyone? Marie Dodge 08-12-2008
Posted by Marie Dodge on August 12, 2008, 5:31 pm
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Big brevity snip.
>
> Perhaps worth a try.
>
> Bill
> .............
>
> <http://www.seedsofchange.com/enewsletter/issue_28/issue_28.aspProtect>
>
> Your Crops Sanely and Humanely
> Hot Pepper Wax
> Capsaicin, the ingredient in hot peppers (Capsicum L.) that gives them heat, is a
> powerful feeding deterrent and will even kill many insect pests. Hot
> pepper (Capsicum L.) wax is a formulation containing capsaicin, which can be sprayed
> regularly on plants to prevent damage from aphids, whiteflies, spider
> mites, thrips, leafhoppers, scales and many other soft-bodied insects.
> It can also be used as a feeding deterrent for rabbits and deer. Waxes
> in the mixture help the spray stick to leaves making it last up to two
> weeks. Be sure to respray newly emerged leaves during that time period.
> And don't worry, the pepper (Capsicum L.) spray washes off easily enough that it won't
> linger after harvest.
>
> --
> Garden in shade zone 5 S Jersey USA

I hesitate to buy even more products since nothing has worked so far. The
Neem Oil (about $12) was supposed to work and didn't. Rotenone (around $9)
didn't work... couldn't find pyrethrum (Chrysanthemum cinerariifolium (Trevir.) Vis.) The light summer oil ($10) was
supposed to work. I have about 8 things here (over $90 w/chemicals) and
none made more than a small difference in the whitefly and mite populations.
The pests must be gaining immunity to the organic pesticides as they have
the chemicals. My gardens are large and it's now starting to run into a lot
of money - and there's little improvement.




Posted by Bill on August 12, 2008, 5:52 pm
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>
> Big brevity snip.
> >
> > Perhaps worth a try.
> >
> > Bill
> > .............
> >
> > <http://www.seedsofchange.com/enewsletter/issue_28/issue_28.aspProtect>
> >
> > Your Crops Sanely and Humanely
> > Hot Pepper Wax
> > Capsaicin, the ingredient in hot peppers (Capsicum L.) that gives them heat, is a
> > powerful feeding deterrent and will even kill many insect pests. Hot
> > pepper wax is a formulation containing capsaicin, which can be sprayed
> > regularly on plants to prevent damage from aphids, whiteflies, spider
> > mites, thrips, leafhoppers, scales and many other soft-bodied insects.
> > It can also be used as a feeding deterrent for rabbits and deer. Waxes
> > in the mixture help the spray stick to leaves making it last up to two
> > weeks. Be sure to respray newly emerged leaves during that time period.
> > And don't worry, the pepper spray washes off easily enough that it won't
> > linger after harvest.
> >
> > --
> > Garden in shade zone 5 S Jersey USA
>
> I hesitate to buy even more products since nothing has worked so far. The
> Neem Oil (about $12) was supposed to work and didn't. Rotenone (around $9)
> didn't work... couldn't find pyrethrum (Chrysanthemum cinerariifolium (Trevir.) Vis.) The light summer oil ($10) was
> supposed to work. I have about 8 things here (over $90 w/chemicals) and
> none made more than a small difference in the whitefly and mite populations.
> The pests must be gaining immunity to the organic pesticides as they have


> the chemicals. My gardens are large and it's now starting to run into a lot
> of money - and there's little improvement.

<http://www.johnnyseeds.com/catalog/product.aspx?scommand=search&search=p
yrethrum&item=637>

<http://www.biconet.com/botanicals/rps.html>

Sounds like you have a challenge. Best practice may be to go fallow.

Best

Bill

Ps Rotenone has human health issues. Big ones!

--
Garden in shade zone 5 S Jersey USA

Posted by Marie Dodge on August 12, 2008, 8:55 pm
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>
>>
>> Big brevity snip.
>> >
>> > Perhaps worth a try.
>> >
>> > Bill
>> > .............
>> >
>> > <http://www.seedsofchange.com/enewsletter/issue_28/issue_28.aspProtect>
>> >
>> > Your Crops Sanely and Humanely
>> > Hot Pepper Wax
>> > Capsaicin, the ingredient in hot peppers that gives them heat, is a
>> > powerful feeding deterrent and will even kill many insect pests. Hot
>> > pepper wax is a formulation containing capsaicin, which can be sprayed
>> > regularly on plants to prevent damage from aphids, whiteflies, spider
>> > mites, thrips, leafhoppers, scales and many other soft-bodied insects.
>> > It can also be used as a feeding deterrent for rabbits and deer. Waxes
>> > in the mixture help the spray stick to leaves making it last up to two
>> > weeks. Be sure to respray newly emerged leaves during that time period.
>> > And don't worry, the pepper spray washes off easily enough that it
>> > won't
>> > linger after harvest.
>> >
>> > --
>> > Garden in shade zone 5 S Jersey USA
>>
>> I hesitate to buy even more products since nothing has worked so far. The
>> Neem Oil (about $12) was supposed to work and didn't. Rotenone (around
>> $9)
>> didn't work... couldn't find pyrethrum. The light summer oil ($10) was
>> supposed to work. I have about 8 things here (over $90 w/chemicals) and
>> none made more than a small difference in the whitefly and mite
>> populations.
>> The pests must be gaining immunity to the organic pesticides as they have
>
>
>> the chemicals. My gardens are large and it's now starting to run into a
>> lot
>> of money - and there's little improvement.
>
> <http://www.johnnyseeds.com/catalog/product.aspx?scommand=search&search=p
> yrethrum&item=637>
>
> <http://www.biconet.com/botanicals/rps.html>
>
> Sounds like you have a challenge. Best practice may be to go fallow.

As I mentioned somewhere here,.. this garden laid fallow 2 years due to an
accident I had. Several surgeries on my knee and physical rehab kept me out
of the garden. I'm surrounded by woodland and fields... and both are full
of insects and bugs. Virus and bacterial diseases have not been a problem.
I never saw whitefly here before, or spider-mites. The biggest pests were a
few Japanese beetles and the ubiquitous SVB. Aphids one year when we lived
in town.

I believe the spidermites came in on a gift palm I recieved last winter. It
was incurable so I trashed it this spring. Most likely not before a few
mites fell of it.......... :( The whitefly probably came in on one of
the seedlings I bought last spring.

Thanks for the URLs.

>
> Best
>
> Bill
>
> Ps Rotenone has human health issues. Big ones!
>
> --
> Garden in shade zone 5 S Jersey USA


Posted by Pat Kiewicz on August 13, 2008, 6:50 am
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Marie Dodge said:
>
>I believe the spidermites came in on a gift palm I recieved last winter. It
>was incurable so I trashed it this spring. Most likely not before a few
>mites fell of it.......... :( The whitefly probably came in on one of
>the seedlings I bought last spring.

There's an old remedy for spider mites that might be worth a try, and
might not be too expensive. It combines wheat flour, buttermilk,
and water. The Organic Method Primer recommends it, and various
proportions are mentioned. Here's a recipe from a website:

1/8 cup buttermilk
1 cup wheat flour
1-1/4 gallons of water

http://www.diynetwork.com/diy/gt_organic/article/0,2029,DIY_13864_5693956,00.html


--
Pat in Plymouth MI ('someplace.net' is comcast)

After enlightenment, the laundry.


Posted by Marie Dodge on August 14, 2008, 2:37 am
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> Marie Dodge said:
>>
>>I believe the spidermites came in on a gift palm I recieved last winter.
>>It
>>was incurable so I trashed it this spring. Most likely not before a few
>>mites fell of it.......... :( The whitefly probably came in on one
>>of
>>the seedlings I bought last spring.
>
> There's an old remedy for spider mites that might be worth a try, and
> might not be too expensive. It combines wheat flour, buttermilk,
> and water. The Organic Method Primer recommends it, and various
> proportions are mentioned. Here's a recipe from a website:
>
> 1/8 cup buttermilk
> 1 cup wheat flour
> 1-1/4 gallons of water
>
>
http://www.diynetwork.com/diy/gt_organic/article/0,2029,DIY_13864_5693956,00.html

Have you found any of these concoctions to work for you? So far the only
thing I've seen make any difference this past week is called Organocide. I
got it at Lowe's. It's made with fish oil and smells like Cod Liver Oil. We
went to the Extension Office today with samples from our garden. The agent
didn't find signs of anything but whitefly and 2-spot spider mites. He said
they were the worst infested leaves he ever saw. We have to stop making our
own compost because there is no real way to kill them off in compost. I
could spread the problem all over the property with compost from the
gardens. He told us of a place we can get all the free stuff to compost we
can haul away. We're going to burn the entire pile we now have and get the
shredded stuff he told us about.

>
>
> --
> Pat in Plymouth MI ('someplace.net' is comcast)
>
> After enlightenment, the laundry.
>


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