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Please help with a home invention... Nate 10-19-2006
Posted by Nate on October 19, 2006, 11:57 pm
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Hi there, my name is Nathan and I have an idea for creating a device
which will help my grandfather maintain the flow of irrigation water
that comes into his yard. Currently, the city allots two irrigation
periods per month and essentially, my 80-yr. old grandfather is
responsible for ensuring the proper flow into his yard at odd hours in
the morning. For example, he'll have to wake up at 1:30 a.m. to go out

and lift the two small water gates (on each end of his house)...then,
he'll have to stay awake to maintain them until 5:30 a.m., or something

like that.

Anyway, my idea is to install a home-made mechanism at each of the
irrigation gates that will allow for the lifting and shutting of the
water gate (about a 12"x6" rectangular plate covering the water hole).

In my crude, non-mechanically-inclined mind, I thought of somehow
welding a straightened-out bicycle chain to the lift piece and
fashioning a sprocket to a motor (garage-door opener motor??), held by
maybe a pipe in the ground (in front of the water hole). The motor
would turn the sprocket which would be connected to the chain, somehow.


One of the tricky things is figuring out what I could use to automate
all of this...I was thinking of some type of connection between the
motor and say, a water-sprinkler timer, where I might pre-program each
of the two irrigation lifters to independently lift and shut their
water gates at specified time intervals.

Of course, once a motor is activated in lift or shut mode, it would
need to stop after a few seconds when it reaches the apex of each
motion. Wow! Am I insane or what?! I was also thinking that, instead

of a water-sprinkler timer thingy, maybe I could just set up some kind
of radio transmitter/receiver from the two irrigation points to my
grandfather's computer...that way, maybe we could take advantage of
some customized software solution or computer timer of some sort. With

something like that, perhaps we wouldn't have to worry so much about
running a bunch of underground wiring (it would just be the power to
the motors, I think??).

I don't want to drag on about this, so I'll pretty much leave it at
that and ask for any advice/comments/suggestions that ANYONE might
have. Is there a company or a machine or some product out there that
provides something close to what I want? Is it really expensive??
Maybe there's a better way to accomplish this all together (probably an

easy one, like hire someone to lift and shut the water gates, ha!).
Anywho, thanks again in advance for any light shed on my crazy idea.
Nathan Entrekin


Posted by Chas Hurst on October 20, 2006, 12:32 am
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> Hi there, my name is Nathan and I have an idea for creating a device
> which will help my grandfather maintain the flow of irrigation water
> that comes into his yard. Currently, the city allots two irrigation
> periods per month and essentially, my 80-yr. old grandfather is
> responsible for ensuring the proper flow into his yard at odd hours in
> the morning. For example, he'll have to wake up at 1:30 a.m. to go out
>
> and lift the two small water gates (on each end of his house)...then,
> he'll have to stay awake to maintain them until 5:30 a.m., or something
>
> like that.
>
> Anyway, my idea is to install a home-made mechanism at each of the
> irrigation gates that will allow for the lifting and shutting of the
> water gate (about a 12"x6" rectangular plate covering the water hole).
>
> In my crude, non-mechanically-inclined mind, I thought of somehow
> welding a straightened-out bicycle chain to the lift piece and
> fashioning a sprocket to a motor (garage-door opener motor??), held by
> maybe a pipe in the ground (in front of the water hole). The motor
> would turn the sprocket which would be connected to the chain, somehow.
>
>
> One of the tricky things is figuring out what I could use to automate
> all of this...I was thinking of some type of connection between the
> motor and say, a water-sprinkler timer, where I might pre-program each
> of the two irrigation lifters to independently lift and shut their
> water gates at specified time intervals.
>
> Of course, once a motor is activated in lift or shut mode, it would
> need to stop after a few seconds when it reaches the apex of each
> motion. Wow! Am I insane or what?! I was also thinking that, instead
>
> of a water-sprinkler timer thingy, maybe I could just set up some kind
> of radio transmitter/receiver from the two irrigation points to my
> grandfather's computer...that way, maybe we could take advantage of
> some customized software solution or computer timer of some sort. With
>
> something like that, perhaps we wouldn't have to worry so much about
> running a bunch of underground wiring (it would just be the power to
> the motors, I think??).
>
> I don't want to drag on about this, so I'll pretty much leave it at
> that and ask for any advice/comments/suggestions that ANYONE might
> have. Is there a company or a machine or some product out there that
> provides something close to what I want? Is it really expensive??
> Maybe there's a better way to accomplish this all together (probably an
>
> easy one, like hire someone to lift and shut the water gates, ha!).
> Anywho, thanks again in advance for any light shed on my crazy idea.
> Nathan Entrekin

Use the chain and sprinkler timer idea. Attach a bucket, of suitable
capacity to lift the gate by weight of water, to the chain. Poke a small
hole in the bottom of the bucket. Use the timer to turn on and off a small
water pump that fills the bucket and lifts the gate at the beginning time,
then shuts of the water pump at the end time, allowing the water to drain
out of the bucket and lower the gate.



Posted by Nate on October 23, 2006, 11:03 pm
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I LOVE this idea!!! Thank you so much! It's so simple and elegant...a
"why didn't I think of that" kind of thing. Wow! Now we can save time
and money and headaches, and I really am going to have a go at it.

I sort of wonder how well it needs to shut, considering all the water
that will be in the yard. Then again, if I use a heavy-enough
counterweight, we could be in business. And, of course, it would
probably be best to ensure there's easy friction and stability with the
gate/chain/bucket assembly.

And I suppose I'll need a fairly small hole(s) and we'll need to gauge
the shutting time to approximately 4-5 hours. This can REALLY work!
Thank you again!! I'll try to let everyone know how my project goes
soon.

Many regards,

Nathan




Chas Hurst wrote:
> > Hi there, my name is Nathan and I have an idea for creating a device
> > which will help my grandfather maintain the flow of irrigation water
> > that comes into his yard. Currently, the city allots two irrigation
> > periods per month and essentially, my 80-yr. old grandfather is
> > responsible for ensuring the proper flow into his yard at odd hours in
> > the morning. For example, he'll have to wake up at 1:30 a.m. to go out
> >
> > and lift the two small water gates (on each end of his house)...then,
> > he'll have to stay awake to maintain them until 5:30 a.m., or something
> >
> > like that.
> >
> > Anyway, my idea is to install a home-made mechanism at each of the
> > irrigation gates that will allow for the lifting and shutting of the
> > water gate (about a 12"x6" rectangular plate covering the water hole).
> >
> > In my crude, non-mechanically-inclined mind, I thought of somehow
> > welding a straightened-out bicycle chain to the lift piece and
> > fashioning a sprocket to a motor (garage-door opener motor??), held by
> > maybe a pipe in the ground (in front of the water hole). The motor
> > would turn the sprocket which would be connected to the chain, somehow.
> >
> >
> > One of the tricky things is figuring out what I could use to automate
> > all of this...I was thinking of some type of connection between the
> > motor and say, a water-sprinkler timer, where I might pre-program each
> > of the two irrigation lifters to independently lift and shut their
> > water gates at specified time intervals.
> >
> > Of course, once a motor is activated in lift or shut mode, it would
> > need to stop after a few seconds when it reaches the apex of each
> > motion. Wow! Am I insane or what?! I was also thinking that, instead
> >
> > of a water-sprinkler timer thingy, maybe I could just set up some kind
> > of radio transmitter/receiver from the two irrigation points to my
> > grandfather's computer...that way, maybe we could take advantage of
> > some customized software solution or computer timer of some sort. With
> >
> > something like that, perhaps we wouldn't have to worry so much about
> > running a bunch of underground wiring (it would just be the power to
> > the motors, I think??).
> >
> > I don't want to drag on about this, so I'll pretty much leave it at
> > that and ask for any advice/comments/suggestions that ANYONE might
> > have. Is there a company or a machine or some product out there that
> > provides something close to what I want? Is it really expensive??
> > Maybe there's a better way to accomplish this all together (probably an
> >
> > easy one, like hire someone to lift and shut the water gates, ha!).
> > Anywho, thanks again in advance for any light shed on my crazy idea.
> > Nathan Entrekin
>
> Use the chain and sprinkler timer idea. Attach a bucket, of suitable
> capacity to lift the gate by weight of water, to the chain. Poke a small
> hole in the bottom of the bucket. Use the timer to turn on and off a small
> water pump that fills the bucket and lifts the gate at the beginning time,
> then shuts of the water pump at the end time, allowing the water to drain
> out of the bucket and lower the gate.


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