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Overhead or underhand SteveB 06-18-2008
Posted by SteveB on June 18, 2008, 1:20 pm
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I want to improve my garden. I need to protect it from the brutal winds we
have here sometimes, and I would like to shade a portion of it. I am going
to build a framework similar to those at plant nurseries. I would also like
to make raised beds to make it easier to access everything.

I was wondering about the water system. I would like to have some sprayers
from the ceiling, as I see this reduces temperatures, and soaks everything
as from a natural rain. Is this a good idea? Should I have the water
coming in from the top, plus some coming in pipes in the ground? My garden
is getting irrigated spotty right now because the pipes flow into trenches,
and then gravity takes it to the plants. The plants at the top of the ditch
get more water, and if something interrupts the flow, the plants at the end
don't get hardly any water. I want to make an even distribution system so
that they all get a proper amount of water. I would like it all to come
down from above so that when the water is shut off, it drains out, making it
less likely to freeze come cold weather.

Ideas and experiences appreciated.

Steve

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not the man who only talks or writes about how it ought to be done."
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Posted by Bill on June 18, 2008, 12:02 pm
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> I want to improve my garden. I need to protect it from the brutal winds we
> have here sometimes, and I would like to shade a portion of it. I am going
> to build a framework similar to those at plant nurseries. I would also like
> to make raised beds to make it easier to access everything.
>
> I was wondering about the water system. I would like to have some sprayers
> from the ceiling, as I see this reduces temperatures, and soaks everything
> as from a natural rain. Is this a good idea? Should I have the water
> coming in from the top, plus some coming in pipes in the ground? My garden
> is getting irrigated spotty right now because the pipes flow into trenches,
> and then gravity takes it to the plants. The plants at the top of the ditch
> get more water, and if something interrupts the flow, the plants at the end
> don't get hardly any water. I want to make an even distribution system so
> that they all get a proper amount of water. I would like it all to come
> down from above so that when the water is shut off, it drains out, making it
> less likely to freeze come cold weather.
>
> Ideas and experiences appreciated.
>
> Steve

No matter where you live.

<http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&client=safari&rls=en-us&pwst=1&sa=X&o
i=spell&resnum=0&ct=result&cd=1&q=microclimates&spell=1>

Think how the heck did the Hopi grow corn in a such a place ? As my
faulty memory recalls. They hilled small hills of corn on one side to
provide a wind break. This also enabled dew to collect and nurture.

<http://ag.arizona.edu/OALS/ALN/aln29/soleri.html>

"Book of the Hopi" a great read some time.

Not a simple idea but a challenging one.

Have Fun!

Bill

--
Garden in shade zone 5 S Jersey USA
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/06/18/tom-wolfe-praises-print-c_n_107741.html

Posted by David Hare-Scott on June 20, 2008, 2:48 am
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> I want to improve my garden. I need to protect it from the brutal winds we
> have here sometimes, and I would like to shade a portion of it. I am going
> to build a framework similar to those at plant nurseries. I would also like
> to make raised beds to make it easier to access everything.
>

Sounds good

> I was wondering about the water system. I would like to have some sprayers
> from the ceiling, as I see this reduces temperatures, and soaks everything
> as from a natural rain. Is this a good idea?

Overhead spraying uses up more water than ground level watering due to
evaporative loss. With frequent use it can also encourage fungi by leaving
the leaves wet, raising humidity and bringing up spores from the ground if it
squirts that far.

However some types of plants will do much better with raised humidity and the
coolness produced by the evaporative loss - provided you can afford the water
and other possible consequences.

I know of a rainforest maintained in a gully by spraying at intervals round
the clock in a climate that gets about 25 in per year of rain and would never
support such a thing naturally.

You have to decide on how much you want to grow according to your climate and
how much you want to create a microclimate.

Should I have the water
> coming in from the top, plus some coming in pipes in the ground? My garden
> is getting irrigated spotty right now because the pipes flow into trenches,
> and then gravity takes it to the plants. The plants at the top of the ditch
> get more water, and if something interrupts the flow, the plants at the end
> don't get hardly any water. I want to make an even distribution system so
> that they all get a proper amount of water.

Drippers or "leaky" hoses will do this and conserve water too.

I would like it all to come
> down from above so that when the water is shut off, it drains out, making it
> less likely to freeze come cold weather.
>

Cannot comment due to lack of experience with gardens freezing.

> Ideas and experiences appreciated.
>
> Steve
>

David



Posted by SteveB on June 20, 2008, 2:45 pm
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>
>> I want to improve my garden. I need to protect it from the brutal winds
>> we
>> have here sometimes, and I would like to shade a portion of it. I am
>> going
>> to build a framework similar to those at plant nurseries. I would also
>> like
>> to make raised beds to make it easier to access everything.
>>
>
> Sounds good
>
>> I was wondering about the water system. I would like to have some
>> sprayers
>> from the ceiling, as I see this reduces temperatures, and soaks
>> everything
>> as from a natural rain. Is this a good idea?
>
> Overhead spraying uses up more water than ground level watering due to
> evaporative loss. With frequent use it can also encourage fungi by
> leaving
> the leaves wet, raising humidity and bringing up spores from the ground if
> it
> squirts that far.
>
> However some types of plants will do much better with raised humidity and
> the
> coolness produced by the evaporative loss - provided you can afford the
> water
> and other possible consequences.
>
> I know of a rainforest maintained in a gully by spraying at intervals
> round
> the clock in a climate that gets about 25 in per year of rain and would
> never
> support such a thing naturally.
>
> You have to decide on how much you want to grow according to your climate
> and
> how much you want to create a microclimate.
>
> Should I have the water
>> coming in from the top, plus some coming in pipes in the ground? My
>> garden
>> is getting irrigated spotty right now because the pipes flow into
>> trenches,
>> and then gravity takes it to the plants. The plants at the top of the
>> ditch
>> get more water, and if something interrupts the flow, the plants at the
>> end
>> don't get hardly any water. I want to make an even distribution system
>> so
>> that they all get a proper amount of water.
>
> Drippers or "leaky" hoses will do this and conserve water too.
>
> I would like it all to come
>> down from above so that when the water is shut off, it drains out, making
>> it
>> less likely to freeze come cold weather.
>>
>
> Cannot comment due to lack of experience with gardens freezing.
>
>> Ideas and experiences appreciated.
>>
>> Steve
>>
>
> David

Sorry, I should have added that water is terribly expensive here. We are AG
1 zoning, and the water bill is a flat $100 a year with no meter for a 1
1/4" line.

Steve ;-)



Posted by enigma on June 20, 2008, 9:36 am
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Charlie wrote in

> Ya' gots to
> match the turd shape to the general shape of the crop you
> wish to shit upon. No debate necessary. It's a fact.

oh! so that's why the llama beans work so well on the peas...
lee
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I pinged a host that wasn't there
It wasn't there again today
The host resolved to NSA.

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